$25 for Two First Class Stamps? That’s Gloucester Township Math
If every postal customer were like the Gloucester Township tax office, the U.S. Postal Service would be swimming in money, rather than finding ways to scale back services and climb out of near bankruptcy.
That’s the only conclusion that can be drawn when the Township chooses to tack on $25 per property to cover the cost of mailing a delinquency notice. This on top of other costs associated with the pending “accelerated” tax sale, scheduled for Dec. 18. For my part, I received two letters via regular mail—two 45 ¢ stamps—but am being charged $25 for the correspondence intended to collect a couple hundred bucks that I was already making payments on.
Under state law (54:5-38), the Township can charge “2% of the existing lien…but not less than $15 and not more than $100 for each parcel” included in the tax sale. For a significant chunk of those on the 102-page delinquency list—those who owe $750 or less—that equates to the minimum $15. But that fee isn’t enough. On top of the woe being dished out during the holiday season, the tax collector unashamedly cites statute 54:5-26, which states:
In lieu of any two publications, notice to the property owner and to any person or entity entitled to notice of foreclosure pursuant to section 20 of P.L.1948, c.96 (C.54:5-104.48) may be given by regular or certified mail, the costs of which shall be added to the cost of the sale in addition to those provided in R.S.54:5-38, not to exceed $25 for each [set of notices] notice for a particular property.
So like the worst kind of ad agency that charges clients for staples and faxes, the Township is focusing on the “not to exceed” fee in order to squeeze even more out of those who already owe. Had they added a buck, they’d make a 10 ¢ profit over the cost of postage for two mailings, or break even if you count the paper and printer ink. Heck, $2 would cover all the mailing fees quite nicely.
But it’s not enough for a greedy administration that insists on further picking the pockets of its residents least likely to be able to pay.
Sybil Evans
9:12 am on Friday, December 7, 2012
Why should any of us care that your mad that you failed to pay your bills on time. It's a state law you have a problem with it call the governor see if he will take that cheesteak out of his mouth to answer your call. IN regards to the fees, do you work for free?
Your obviously not a millionaire because if you were you would not be on this list unless your truly just ignorant. This is a state law that requires the fees be added, Chris Christie just yesterday refused to allow people in your income bracket to be able to buy affordable healthcare, do you really think he cares if you have a problem with the fees his administration imputed to your bill? You failed to pay your taxes on time pay them now to minimize your further embarrassment and a potential lien because lord knows your going to go insane when you find out how much the lien recording fees are....lol! Good luck with that one.
Mel
10:11 am on Friday, December 7, 2012
Uh oh. Looks like the party attack zombies have a new target. How dare a mere citizen step up and question the wisdom of the Norcrats!! Cause $25 is cheap for a stamp. We should feel honored our wise leaders only spend $25 per mailing cause there is no way they would look to the 3500 citizens as a fundriaser for $25 a pop!
Ignore those traffic light cameras. Those aren't fundraisers either.
Gary: Don't let their attempts to anger you stop you. Thanks for your research into this. I wonder, though, exactly who are buying these tax liens? Are they bought by shell companies owned by party insiders? Who is making money off of these? Who bought the last round of liens and how are they connected to GT or Camden County?
Follow the money Gary. I look forward to your next blog.
Darren Gladden
10:23 am on Friday, December 7, 2012
Gary the Gladfly got your back .................
Gary Frisch
9:58 am on Saturday, December 8, 2012
Give it a rest, Sybil. Municipalities do have choices in the matter. They can choose to conduct an accelerated tax sale vs. a standard tax sale. The accelerated sale is just that - it's goal is to collect payment for delinquencies from the current calendar year, apparently even if homeowners are making good-faith payments. The standard tax sale is for delinquencies from the prior year. The vast majority of municipalities in NJ use the calendar tax sale. But GloTwp chooses to go the faster route. Maybe a referendum is needed to change this -- I'll be looking into it.
Also, there's that mailing fee. State law prescribes that the city can charge "up to $25" per mailing, regardless of whether it's certified, regular or some other form of mail. The wording clearly gives discretion to the city. When I questioned Sandra Ferguson, the tax collector, about why the cost was $40 when the state allows only 2% (min. $15), her response was, "I chose to add $25 for mailing costs." She didn't say "I'm required to add" or "the law says I must add," but "I chose to add." She could've chosen to add $2 or $3 if she weren't a typical bureaucrat looking to simply enrich the city's coffers. Case closed, as far as I'm concerned.
And both Paul and I have given you far too much credibility and consideration for someone who's hiding behind a pseudonym. A newspaper wouldn't so much as publish your letter to the editor.
Gary Frisch
10:53 am on Saturday, December 8, 2012
That should say "The vast majority of municipalities in NJ use the STANDARD tax sale."
A. Carroll
10:40 am on Saturday, December 8, 2012
Excellent rebuttal of the spin, Gary.
Sybil Evans
4:01 pm on Saturday, December 8, 2012
Gary here is an idea for you: Pay your taxes on time and you won't need a tissue for you issue!! You seem to be a proud homeowner when it comes time to claim you own 3 homes, if what you say is true, and I have no reason to doubt you, how about you become a proud homeowner and pay your bills on time. It's clear from your posts you are habitually delinquent and not only here in Gloucester Township but in the multiple other towns you claim to own homes in. Try paying your bills on time because the $25 fee you’re complaining about does not cover the cost of advertizing your name in the paper as a tax delinquent. You said Sandy Ferguson is the tax collector and is making you pay your bills? Nice to see she is doing her job. Why should I or any other tax payer pay for your delinquency? I am a bit upset she is not charging you full price for advertizing you in the paper, why should the rest of us who struggle but pay on time finance your 4 delinquent homes that are in tax sale in multiple towns. There is no spin here it’s the law pay your taxes or pay the fees like the rest of us have to.
Gary Frisch
4:28 pm on Saturday, December 8, 2012
I don't know why you're talking about 4 homes. I have only owned 1 home at a time like most people. I've moved throughout my life, as people sometimes do. And we're talking about a county sewer bill, not property taxes, maybe three quarters worth that I thought I'd paid when I paid my township sewer bill, and an accumulated bill that I was in the process of paying down when I received the tax sale notice. Like I said in my blog, these things happen. Yeah, it may be delinquent in the strict sense of the word, but tax sale, WHEN I'M MAKING REGULAR PAYMENTS and am already paying interest? That I've never heard of before.
Sybil Evans
5:02 pm on Saturday, December 8, 2012
Gary here, maybe having the correct state statute will help ease your pain and make you understand your getting off easy with being charges only $25.00.:
"54:5-26. Copies of the notice of a tax sale shall be set up in five of the most public places in the municipality, and a copy of the notice shall be published in a newspaper circulating in the municipality, once in each of the four calendar weeks preceding the calendar week containing the day appointed for the sale. In lieu of any two publications, notice to the property owner and to any person or entity entitled to notice of foreclosure pursuant to section 20 of P.L.1948, c.96 (C.54:5-104.48) may be given by regular or certified mail, the costs of which shall be added to the cost of the sale in addition to those provided in R.S.54:5-38, not to exceed $25 for each notice for a particular property."
So as you see $25 is a bargain compared to the fact you are in the paper 2x and could have been billed at $25 or more, actually up to $100 for each advertisement. Even the minimum fee for the advertisement of $15 that would have been $30. I can guarantee you if you break down the cost of the advertisement, by how many people were advertized, your bill would have far exceeded the $25 you were charged.
As stated numerous times your costs include more then just stamps, stop being foolish and just pay your taxes. Mitigate your losses! There is nothing short of paying your taxes that will remedy this situation.
N/A
5:33 pm on Saturday, December 8, 2012
Gary, I feel bad for you man, this stuff does happen and with this economy it happens more then anyone would have ever imagined. The problem is taxes, tax sales and liens can be expensive as from your blog I can see you’re finding out. It is easy to blame a mayor or governor. As much as I see you would like to blame the Mayor or council and I would love to blame the governor it is clear the state law has been in effect from before any of those individuals where born.
That said I see you are taking issue with the fees and the accelerated sale process. I'm sure Paul will jump me as I see he did others and you may also. You can take or leave what I say it's your choice but the fact is twofold; The accelerated sale benefits you in one way and hurts in another. The hurt is it makes the sale 3 weeks earlier then the standard sale bringing the sale from the second week of January to the 3rd week of December. That hurts right before the holidays. The help is if the standard sale were used which would require the sale to be 50 days after the 11th day of November, you would be due the next quarter taxes and sewer bills which would be required to be paid at that time. The tax quarters are as follows Jan 1 to March 1, due "BY" Feb 1 with grace to Feb 10. Since that quarter would be due at that time it would be required to be paid to avoid the sale in the standard format. The accelerated system helps keep your bill down, but does not change the fees and costs.
Paul J. DiBartolo
5:38 pm on Saturday, December 8, 2012
You just couldn't leave well enough alone, could you, NA? And such a wealth of knowledge. You had to crawl out from under your rock and involve me. Be patient, I'm hard at work looking for a Dewey button for you; you do your best to find a chest to pin it on.
N/A
5:50 pm on Saturday, December 8, 2012
See Gary didn't I say it wouldn’t take him long to throw insults. Ignorance is bliss Paul proves it with every post.
N/A
5:45 pm on Saturday, December 8, 2012
“54:5-21. Lands listed for sale; liens listed; installments added.........
In the case of a standard tax sale, the list shall be prepared at least 50 calendar days prior to the date of sale. The collector may prepare the list after the 11th day of the eleventh month of the fiscal year, and prior to the close of the fiscal year, in order to start advertising the standard tax sale prior to the close of the current fiscal year.
In the case of an accelerated tax sale, the list shall be prepared as of the 11th day of the 11th month of the current fiscal year, and shall include only those taxes, assessments and other municipal charges that were delinquent as of that date.”
As you can see there is no difference in the fees just the sale date would change. As far as the change if you do the math 50 days after the 11th of November which is a Sunday so you need to use the 12 of November add 50 days that would be January 2nd, and the next quarter is due at that point and by statute would be required to be charged to avoid the tax sale, even though it normally would not be due until Feb 1. If you read the tax bill it says Pay "BY" Feb 1st if you don't believe me read your billing.
My points
2:01 pm on Sunday, December 9, 2012
The $25 is probably not just the cost of the stamp. I assume it also pays the salary of the clerk collecting the info and writing the letter, the paper, ink, electric and other overhead associated with generating the actual bill. The clerk is taking time from other duties to work on this delinquency project.
Roger Delgado
11:02 am on Monday, December 10, 2012
I just re-read the original Patch article on this. It mentions at least 3500 households involved in this tax sale. If we are to believe those here who are saying the $25 fee is to cover the costs, then we could assume $25 a house times 3500 houses is $87,500 in costs.
I will admit that I am not an experienced tax collector, but I have taken the time to print and mail form letters before. $87,500 does seem like a lot to send out this mailing.
How much do we spend for other mailings the town sends to the ENTIRE population such as the tax bills and the quarterly report? What does the GTMUA spend PER QUARTER to send out the invoices? I challenge those on here attacking Mr. Frisch to provide this documentation.
Maybe we could get an exact cost of the mailing and charge people based on the actual cost for the previous year? It would be a simple matter of calculating the cost of paper, toner, and the employees time then dividing by 3500. If GT could document this cost, it would seem reasonable for each citizen to bear the true cost. But $87,500 in this case seems excessive.
I might be off base, but I can't see Gloucester Township, the GTMUA, or the CCMUA spending $25 per house to generate, print, and mail each of their bills and notices.
Gary Frisch
11:17 am on Monday, December 10, 2012
I had the same thought, Roger, but couldn't have said it any better than you did.
Sybil Evans
9:38 pm on Monday, December 10, 2012
See Gary this is where your act starts to wear thin. You pretend you are holier than thou. Gary you are nothing short of a hypocrite. Funny you promote Bill collectors yet you are mad that you are now in collections? How many people do you think your boss forgives when it comes to their late payments, yet you have the audacity to demand the tax payers of GT forgive you? PAY YOUR TAXES ON TIME, stop embarrassing yourself!
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Contact: Gary Frisch, director of public relations gary@xxxxxxxmedia.com Phone: 856.xxx.6100 Fax: 856-xxx-612
Scott H. Marcus & Associates Signs Co-Activ Capital Law Firm to Handle Collections for Commercial Leasing Giant
WASHINGTON TOWNSHIP, N.J., Nov. 25, 2009 – Scott H. Marcus, recently named one of South Jersey’s top bankruptcy attorneys, announces that his firm, Scott H. Marcus & Associates, will represent Co-Activ Capital Partners in the collection of its delinquent accounts and charge-offs.
Co-Activ is a commercial leasing company with a national clientele. It is a wholly owned subsidiary of Marubeni Group, one of the world’s largest companies with offices in 69 countries.
Should I keep going?...Yep I will......
Sybil Evans
6:25 am on Tuesday, December 11, 2012
Gary, Gary, Gary, Let it go all this tension is not good for you. Just face the reality YOU'RE IN COLLCETIONS, Your late and you have been advertised in the newspaper. You have late fees and you're going to pay them!
It must suck being on the collections end of the equation but lets face it you have done promotions work for a collection agency telling everyone how wonderful being in collections can be so just enjoy it. Hey lets face it some of those people you helped embarrass and exploit before are now laughing at you. See most people in collection's can't afford their bill people do sympathize with them you just ignored your responsibility. You're a delinquent wanting the tax payers to absorb your debt, that's not going to happen!
As far as the "Holier Than Thou title" you can try and pawn that off on others like your doing with your tax bill but just like that late payment fee you earned the title "Holier Than Thou," and just like the tax delinquent title you will keep that one too.
Sybil Evans
6:35 am on Tuesday, December 11, 2012
Gary do you kiss your mother with that mouth? Become a man face the reality stop embarrassing yourself and pay your taxes on time.
Now when you make claims like your not in collections explain why when I go to www.glotwp.com and click the yellow box then put your last name in the name box hit search, a radio button pops up with your name and address and if I hit that button, all these red flags pop up on your account: This Property is in Tax Sale | There are Special Charges on this Property | Balance Includes any Adjustments to Your Account
See Gary you can fool some of the people some of the time Like Paul and Ray Polidoro but truth is a hard thing to overcome when someone actually wants to know the truth. In this case no matter how many times you lie to us the truth is your a tax delinquent, You need to pay your Taxes and liens in order to avoid being sold in tax sale.
Gary I'm going to do one better for you. If you don't pay your taxes "I WILL DO EVERYTHING I CAN TO BUY YOUR TAX LIEN. Then I will send you to Scott Marcus to collect the debt for me.
Sybil Evans
7:00 am on Tuesday, December 11, 2012
Oh wait lets continue:
Gary Frish said “Guess what, I know how to use Google too, and you're just a cipher (Sorry, you probably don't know the meaning of the word...Google that while you're at it).”
My Response, Gary relax all the name calling is the act of a desperate person besides anyone that would be in a promotions business then be too embarrassed by their own work to “own their press release” Is a true Cipher, it also explains why you now claim you’re out of work and having hard times, who would hire a promotions guy who is so embarrassed by his own work he would deny it after. (see Gary I do know what the word means after all)
Paul J. DiBartolo
9:47 am on Tuesday, December 11, 2012
Hey Sibilith, did you attend school in NJ's public school system? Never mind, I already know the answer from trying to read your gibberish. Do you understand the function of punctuation? It actually aids in reading and understanding on the part of the reader and would be a boost to making your messages more understandable to the unwashed masses of the public that have to try to interpret your stuff.
You know, it's funny how the GT leadership almost totally avoids the people's sounding box otherwise known as the Patch. I say almost because Dan Hutchison actually posted two messages about the fact that people could forward their resumes to the Democratic Party in GT if they were interested in the open council seat. However, whenever there is criticism of the GT leadership there are a cage full of attack dogs that are unleashed and you are obviously part of that pack. Seriously, spare us the boredom of trying to deny it because it's obvious to even the most causal observer.
What a breath of fresh air it would be if GT's council and mayor would fight their own battles and interact with the people on this public forum. Basically, any attempt to interact with out leadership, whether it be via email, at township council meetings, or in local Internet forums such as this, yields the same outcome...dumb silence.
Sybil Evans
10:03 am on Tuesday, December 11, 2012
Paul, I assume your remarks were made toward me, as I stated in prior posts: what is wrong with you? Why act like a two year old, name calling and picking on punctuation? Really? You seriously think your better then me? Try reading most of your posts. He who lives in glass houses should not throw stones.
Well all I can say is if the only thing you can debate about anything I posted was my poor grammar. I surly made my point. Now be a good little troll and tell your buddy pay his taxes. If not I promise I will do everything I can to buy his lien, I will record it and report it to the credit bureaus then I will send it out for collection. Hey good news on that, If you want to see if I am who I say I am maybe you can convince your friend to not pay and then you will find out, I guarantee you will both eat crow.
Darren Gladden
1:39 pm on Tuesday, December 11, 2012
Sybill Evans sounds like a tough one "PLEASE" ........WoW Sybil wants to play by dirty rules ....Don't pay up your money to the man and I going to send someone to collect "REALLY" hard times WE CARE play along WITH us and maybe we will hand you out a turkey ....... WoW I just wish the turkeys given out the Turkey was not so damn greedy and full of themselves then maybe we can all enjoy a nice holiday season ONCE again ..... I will See the Leadership this Monday "Dave Field of Dreams talk again " Damn 4 meeting and I see nothing Getting done again "EMPTY dreams and Breaken promises .......Does anyone care Sybil Evans don't
Sybil Evans
9:39 pm on Monday, December 10, 2012
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Sybil Evans
9:59 pm on Monday, December 10, 2012
Gary your promoting a bankruptcy attorney that is one of the regions biggest collection agencies? WOW talk about collecting from both sides. seems you are promoting one of the worlds biggest double dip scumbags in New Jersey, and you are demanding sympathy from the tax payers of Gloucester Township. Guess your boss taught to well.
See Gary if you want to learn how to promote someone I will give you a pointer.....DON'T Pretend you can't afford something just because you don't want to pay the late fee for a bill you forgot to pay on time. You will never get sympathy like that.
Who would like to know why Gary forgot to pay his taxes? I say that Gary because will all the business you run I hardly believe for a second you didn't have a couple hundred dollars to pay your taxes. Or are we supposed to believe the trip you were on was free? Gary Give it up your a liar and you got caught up in the lie. You drew the line in the sand and well nobody cares. Oh don't get me wrong Paul and Ray Polidoro will continue to encourage after all your the one with your reputation on the line and they are the ones prodding you just enough to keep you going. I have to wonder since this is a national publication how many of your news agencies got to see your a tax delinquent? CNN, you have connections there right? The business journal maybe? Your a funny guy Gary NOW PAY YOUR TAXES !!
Mel
6:21 am on Tuesday, December 11, 2012
Hey Gary congrats you just got your cherry popped!! Notice how they try to make this personal against you instead of addressing the factual issues you and the others raised on costing $25 to mail a letter.
Welcome to the new Democrats where they hide behind fake screen names so they are not accountable for what they say or do. Oh, and they like to brag about hoe "transparent" they are. These aren't your father's Democrats, these are "Norcrats" -- thugs who will attack the messenger who tells them their house is on fire instead of getting a hose to put it out.
People like you who stand up for the truth piss them off. Keep it up and take each personal attack as notice you are hitting too close to the truth.
Sybil Evans
7:02 am on Tuesday, December 11, 2012
Mel says " Welcome to the new Democrats where they hide behind fake screen names so they are not accountable for what they say or do" Then uses a fake name so nobody know who he is ....hypocrite
Paul J. DiBartolo
9:52 am on Tuesday, December 11, 2012
Why do you always address an accusation with another accusation, Sibilith? Do you hide behind a pseudonym? Are you an authorized attack dog and shill for the GT Democratic leadership? Can you answer any question truthfully?
Sybil Evans
10:07 am on Tuesday, December 11, 2012
Oh Paul you keep making accusations of me being a shill yet your the one on here calling everyone names and saying they are liars every time anyone says anything bad about a republican or good about a democrat. you have yet to back up one of your claims with a fact. By the way Paul a little hint just because you say you never heard of something before does not make it a fact. Instead it shows your lack of education.
Sybil Evans
10:20 am on Tuesday, December 11, 2012
Paul just for the record I am probably more of a conservative then you. As you know most conservatives really don't like people who rely on others to cover their bills. I don't think in terms of Democrat or Republican, I think in terms of for the people by the people. Although I congratulate this group of democrats as they have not raised taxes in 3 years now. No other town in NJ can say the same.
I also think if someone is living beyond their means they should sell their home and move to where they can afford to live. If someone is so irresponsible that they went on a trip with strippers just before the tax deadline and forgot to pay their taxes then they need to man up, shut up, and pay them now. Don't write a blog about the fees it was probably less then a lapdance would cost him. Don't write a blog saying your so down and out then brag about being on a trip with strippers.
Think smart, his blog is hurting your homes value. Why would you keep protecting him. Amazing! Or are you now going to give us some BS that his blog to the world telling everyone how 3500 people in our town are late on their taxes is somehow helping your homes value.
Tell your buddy to shut his mouth stop embarrassing himself and our values and PAY HIS TAXES!
Paul J. DiBartolo
11:37 am on Tuesday, December 11, 2012
Time to man up or shut up yourself, Sybil (better?).
So, please quote verbatim the lie(s) you say I've posted and I will thank you very much. Remember, Sybil, saying it doesn't make it so; we need proof.
Secondly, you are more conservative than me...please provide details. I've I stated that I was a conservative? Not in my profile (I happen to have one...you don't); maybe in one one of my blogs or comments...please quote chapter and verse and I will thank you very much. Once we establish my worldview we can then determine what you are compared to me.
> Fact: I do not know Gary Frisch from Adam and his writing here is my first awareness of him.
> Fact: I have written numerous emails to township council and Mr. Mayer and have received but two or three replies from only one individual that essentially say, "I disagree with you" and no further explanation ever offered for the actions taken by our leadership.
Finally, I'm game and up for the challenge, are you? Exactly what does your following comment mean?
"...just because you say you never heard of something before does not make it a fact. Instead it shows your lack of education" (Sybil Evans).
What did I say I never heard of? How did I then formulate facts based on such? Wake up, Sybil, time to shine!
Paul J. DiBartolo
11:57 am on Wednesday, December 12, 2012
Okay...24 hours and counting...
Sybil had plenty to say about me concerning what I say and/or do but when I asked for details to qualify those accusations...(chirp...chirp...chirp). The silence is deafening but, seriously, I really didn't expect anything different.
Sybil Evans
5:57 pm on Wednesday, December 12, 2012
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Paul J. DiBartolo said on
7:12 pm on Friday, December 7, 2012
“>> why the name calling??”
Paul obviously was making a rhetorical question since only he would know why he was calling me and many others on here names. I guess Paul figures he can take pot shots from behind a computer since he would need a dentist if he said the same remarks to people’s faces. Then again he does say he was home schooled maybe he did say things like that to the other kids in school and his mommy got tired of the doctor bills, Oh well that is his problem not mine.
That said I did answer in the very next comment as everyone can see and I again asked Paul:
Sybil Evans
9:37 pm on Friday, December 7, 2012
"Show me in any post where I called you a name?"
Now it has been since December 7, 2012 I have been waiting for you to show me where I ever called you a name other then what you identified yourself as and it has now been 5 days you still failed to answer but I see you continue to call me names, why? When you answer my question I asked you 5 days ago I will embarrass you again by answering your question. Don’t worry Paul I know you won’t answer that question you can’t because it never happened. On the other hand I will give you a couple days to try and make up some more lies.
Gary Frisch
6:02 pm on Wednesday, December 12, 2012
I never owed any taxes, Sybil-whoeveryouare. What I paid was a few missed sewer bills. One of many errors you self-righteously proclaim as "facts" in your multiple posts. You think you're so smart, but you know nothing about me. I guess to you I am a cipher, and I wouldn't have it any other way.
Sybil Evans
12:53 pm on Thursday, December 13, 2012
Gary you just couldn't leave well enough alone. You were in "TAX SALE" there is no such thing as "SEWER SALE." It may have been because of your SEWER “TAX” and not your PROPERTY TAX but I assure you that you were in “TAX SALE!”
That said I find it disturbing that you feel it is justified to write blogs to cry about a $25 fee imposed against you for being so delinquent. Then trying to justify it by saying: Gary Frisch 6:02 pm on Wednesday, December 12, 2012,
"I never owed any taxes, Sybil-whoeveryouare. What I paid was a few missed sewer bills."
"A FEW" missed sewer bills? A few missed bills landed you in TAX SALE!
It's called the law, obey it! Certainly when you are at fault you need to own it, not make a big battle you can never win. Do you understand why you can't win? You were a pawn, all the way through this. You were prodded By Mr. Poloidoro to disgrace yourself by telling everyone you were a "delinquent." You even called yourself a "tax deadbeat," why would anyone do that to themselves?
Do you understand the same Polidoro that prodded you to do this would have been the same one to smear your name across New Jersey blogs saying you were given special consideration by the Municipality because you were causing problems? Writing your blog did nothing but guarantee you were going to pay that late fee. I promise you that. But like Paul says now your TAX's are paid and I will ignore you, He is right you’re not worth my time anymore. Life lesson, PAY YOUR TAXES!
Darren Gladden
3:01 pm on Thursday, December 13, 2012
got to love the Fruitcake Peeps hey wanna be Thug Sybil you need to get real , We are taxes so much by the state of New Jersey and our Local government it's a joke nobody can even tell us who is taxings US stop cooking the Books Fritcake hey I hear OOOOOOOOO singing , ...Have a nice day .......Just care , I do ... Mayor and his Crew need to Wise up ......Ho,Ho,Ho
Sybil Evans
3:05 pm on Thursday, December 13, 2012
Mr Gladden here (http://webstersdictionary.com/) translate that gibberish and maybe someone other then you will understand what you said.
Darren Gladden
4:54 pm on Thursday, December 13, 2012
don't hate , I always dislike Webster now to understand me is to LOVE me .....Just care , stop chewing with your Mouth Open at da Tax Offices Frank it's disgusting
Frank
6:15 pm on Thursday, December 13, 2012
Darren If you want to say something about me then say it to me. Don't go accusing every poster in here that you don't like as being me. It's childish. I will warn you make a post about me again that is not true I promise you will regret it. Now you can take this to council like a 2 year old and tell them how I told you to stop threatening me. Lets see how it plays out. Because like playing your games, caring about you I never will!
Darren Gladden
6:48 pm on Thursday, December 13, 2012
Look at you , Come on stop being so defeneless unless you have something to hide .You "SIR" cry LIKE a 2 year old . See there pal you stated to me that you are NA in a parking lot and now you call me out all you do is try attack people and Guess what I aint scare I don't own a DOG and believe me I threated you "Get a Clue there buddy all I have been hearing from the ladies in da office and people that pay there tax bills to you......... Is they would like to see you Chew with your mouth CLOSE ......Now is that threating no it's common sense if you are talking with your mouth full you look like an ....O never mind I'm so tried of trying to clean up this town act and dealing with people like you . It's just so wrong feeding the trolls and watching them GO off ..Now can you please chew with your mouth Close ....Just care , I do
Sybil Evans
6:02 pm on Wednesday, December 12, 2012
Gary I am proud of you, you PAID YOUR TAXES!!!! You're a Big boy now!! You’re no longer a delinquent, and that’s too bad. I wanted to buy your tax lien so badly.
Paul J. DiBartolo
6:17 pm on Wednesday, December 12, 2012
What happened, Sibilith, you took offense to my use of that mispronunciation of the fake name you are using? Cut us all a break, you don't even use your real name. BTW, that was a joking retort to your obvious ignorance over how to spell my name when it was plastered all over the blog yet you still got it wrong. Was that an accident?
Okay, thanks for the comedic relief, I'll now move on and expend my conversation efforts on people that evidence a little intelligence and candor.
Gary, ignore him, her, or shim (whatever) and it'll go away.
Dave's Stache
7:51 am on Thursday, December 13, 2012
Its time for everyone's favorite game; WHO"S THAT TROLL!!!!! Today's contestant is a rather annoying little democrat troll, please welcvom Sybil Evans.
First question: are you male or female? It is a male making believe it is a female!!!!
Second question: do you work for the township? YES!!!!!!
Third question: do you work in the mayor's office? no
Oh too bad, we'll be back later with more question of our mystery guest. Till then think about the creepy people you may have seen in the municipal building recently.We'll be back after these important messages from our local sponsors.
Darren Gladden
7:16 pm on Thursday, December 13, 2012
That is not me , but we might have had the same spelling teacher ....;-)
Gary Frisch
1:30 pm on Thursday, December 13, 2012
Sybil Evans, who is this Mr. Poliodoro you keep talking about? I've never met the man and have no idea who he even is. I'm assuming he works for Glo Twp in some capacity. Just another example of you shooting off your mouth out of spite and schadenfreude, when you have no real idea what you're talking about. Everything you've said on this blog can apply to each and every person on the tax sale list. Yes, paying taxes is the law, and this was a sewer bill, that's a utility, FYI, not a tax, despite what they call this process. Like I said in my first blog, everyone has reasons they didn't pay, and nobody on the list is a bad person as a result. However, YOU are a nameless, faceless thug, and if you do in fact work for the township -- or if you're even the tax collector just pissed off that someone should question you or the township -- what you're doing here is slovenly, unprofessional and disgraceful. I challenge you, Sybil Evans, to reveal your real name. You won't, because you're a horrid little worker bee in this government who thinks its ok to denigrate its constituents when you really fear for your job should your identity come out. You're a shameless ass (yeah, I kiss my mother with that mouth), Sybil Evans, and I'M done with YOU, however I will keep blogging. And go on trolling like the troll you are.
Sybil Evans
2:28 pm on Thursday, December 13, 2012
John your comment was “Just another example of you shooting off your mouth out of spite and schadenfreude, when you have no real idea what you're talking about.”
My answer, No actually your blog was an example of “schadenfreude” after all you made the blog in a lame attempt to discredit numerous people in the municipality that had no intention to harm you in any way, they just needed to follow the law and advise you your home was up for tax sale. You believed you were going to disgrace them into not charging you the $25 fee, how did that work out for you?
John your comment was; “Everything you've said on this blog can apply to each and every person on the tax sale list.”
My answer again; No everything you said does not apply to everyone subject to tax sale, actually you were the only person to write a blog designed to embarrass and harm others. The problem is when you were having hard times and couldn’t afford to pay the bill then get caught partying with strippers on November 8th 2012, you kind of lose the sympathy aspect of your “Hard Times” comment was meant to give you.
Sybil Evans
2:29 pm on Thursday, December 13, 2012
John your comment was; “Yes, paying taxes is the law, and this was a sewer bill, that's a utility, FYI, not a tax, despite what they call this process.”
My answer;” again you are wrong it is called a SEWER TAX utilities get paid to private businesses, can be turned off and are not lienable if your delinquent. Taxes cannot be turned off they are owed to the government and become a lien if you don’t pay them.
John your comment was; “However, YOU are a nameless, faceless thug,… I challenge you, Sybil Evans, to reveal your real name…. You're a shameless ass (yeah, I kiss my mother with that mouth)…,
My answer: Nameless? Not true, challenge me? I gave you an option to find out who I was you decided not to take me up on the offer. Shameless? Not at all my taxes are paid, You kiss your mother with that mouth…sucks to be her. Do you at least chew gum first or do you not care if you hurt her too?
Sybil Evans
2:59 pm on Thursday, December 13, 2012
Here again Gary you want sympathy?
your comment Gary; "Like I said in my first blog, everyone has reasons they didn't pay, and nobody on the list is a bad person as a result." You further pretend you could not pay your taxes on time because of some "hard times" you were having and we should have sympathy for you because you only missed "A FEW PAYMENTS."
My answer; Why should the tax payers of Gloucester Township cut you a break on your late payment when you used money that was supposed to pay your taxes and instead decided to go skydiving? If you had the money to skydive you should have paid your taxes.
http://gloucestertownship.patch.com/articles/patch-reader-shares-skydiving-experience#photo-10903396
Gary Said, "Like I said in my first blog, everyone has reasons they didn't pay, and nobody on the list is a bad person as a result."
My answer not everyone is a bad person but you are. Many of the people on that list really can't pay their taxes you made a decision not too pay and use that money to go skydiving, then lied about your financial ability to pay just to try and get out of a late payment fee. That's just dirty wrong.
Gary, Are you ready to stop yet or do you really like being embarrassed?
Paul J. DiBartolo
3:16 pm on Thursday, December 13, 2012
I find this interesting...
Mr. Gary Frisch writes a blog and comments/replies 6 times.
I, likewise, write 6 posts.
Sybil Evans writes 20 comments/replies.
What the heck is going on?
I think Gary said it best, "Sybil Evans...I'M done with YOU..."
Can't you take a hint? So shut up already, Sybil-whomever-you-are.
Sybil Evans
3:37 pm on Thursday, December 13, 2012
WOW Master Paul gave a command. I better start shaking now. Nobody else is allowed to post on this thread Paul is counting everyone's posts now and he says nobody is allowed to make more comments them him or Gary on the thread.
Yep Paul I can see everyone cowering down to you now. Hey wait a second guess I shouldn't have made this post according to you.
What will you do now? Oh well, you will have to recalculate my thread count. This makes 21.
Paul, we are all so encouraged your learning how to count. Ya! Hercules, Hercules!
By the way Master Paul nobody was talking to you so take your own advice.
Dave's Stache
3:32 pm on Thursday, December 13, 2012
Welcome back to Who's Thst Troll. We have more questions for today's contestant. Ready?
Do you work behind a glass window and stare at all of the people coming and going from the municipal building? Why YES!!!
Do you make people, especially women feel uncomfortable with your staring? Yes again.
Do you use multiple names on Patch and talk to yourself as if you would be 2 people? Another YES.
Are you a low level political operative of the local democrats, that is Dave Mayer? Yes again.
We have to take a quick commercial break but will be back with the unveiling of today's mystery troll.
Sybil Evans
3:41 pm on Thursday, December 13, 2012
Well Darren I want to play too:
Dave's Stash aka Darren Gladden: Do you clean toilets in Fort Dix?
No you got fired? How can someone be that incompetent that they can't clean a toilet?
Sybil Evans
3:48 pm on Thursday, December 13, 2012
Oh and by the way Stache be careful what you sayWhen you make your accusations and announcement YOU BETTER BE RIGHT....lol! I so look forward to this. Come I exposed you now its your turn Darren Gladden.
Darren Gladden
7:28 pm on Thursday, December 13, 2012
Ho, Ho, Ho .........Now Now Peeps even tho Dave Stache is funny it's not me,,, sorry I like to keep IT REAL "PEEPS" Frank stop your crying and chew with your mouth close Please ........and yes I DID clean TOILETS at Fort Dix and I was one happy man doing my job for people to go to the bathroom in A NICE clean Peaceful bathroom ...........Haters .....HATE ....Lovers and REAL man will CLEAN up there mess ....Now keep the mouth closed you are Creeping people worst then
Berry at a playboy Shot .....Just care , I do ......http://youtu.be/XHIHdJ5h_d8
Sybil Evans
4:07 pm on Thursday, December 13, 2012
Oh Stache please, out me! lol, I am begging you. See the things you posted so far just don't prove anything. Use a name come on. Hurry Up! The suspense is killing me.
Michelle Wolfson
10:14 pm on Thursday, December 13, 2012
I have nothing at all to say about this article. I pay my taxes on time and this is all really totally irrelevant to me. But I was bored and decided to read through all of the comments for amusement's sake. Just thought I'd throw it out there that it is blazingly clear that "Dave's Stache" and Darren Gladden are NOT one and the same!
And didn't Dave Mayer shave like a year and a half ago? Maybe a new name is in order?