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Gary Frisch is a longtime writer and public relations professional. He lives in Laurel Springs, N.J.

Gun Control and Dog Adoption

One of the ideas I’ve heard floated in the post-Newtown gun-control debate is to conduct background checks on not only the gun applicant, but every person in his or her household. After all, Adam Lanza committed his horrendous massacre with guns that were legally purchased and owned by his mother.

This thought came to mind anew this week, as I go through the process of picking and adopting a rescue dog from a local shelter: No matter how much of a dog lover I appear to be, no matter how earnest my desire to give a good home to a deserving animal, this shelter’s policy requires that the dog “meet” every member of my family—including a previous dog we adopted there—before they’ll allow me to adopt him.

Think about this for a moment. I’m required to “audition” my entire family to take a dog home, but if I want to bring a deadly firearm into my household, the seller is required to consider my qualifications alone to own it.

As a society, we make a big assumption that when a gun is purchased, it will be kept secure from theft and abuse. We expect it will be locked up unless it’s being used, and certainly won’t fall into the hands of a curious child. Most parents as a matter of common sense will take steps to prevent an accidental discharge, and even then we routinely hear about tragic incidents involving children. But what of an older member of the household, who not only has the forethought to use a gun, but likely the means to obtain it from that locked box, bottom of the nightstand drawer, or even a gun safe?

It could be someone who’s been diagnosed with a mental issue. It might be someone with an exceptionally short temper. Or it could just be an emotionally troubled teen who’s tired of the bullying or wants revenge for a perceived sleight.  Granted, these characteristics may not always be obvious to the layman or the gunshop owner, but if there’s a criminal record, a stint in rehab, an enforced institutionalization, or an actual diagnosis, that could be enough to raise a red flag that this applicant’s home environment is not conducive to gun ownership.

It’s an old societal irony that in the United States, you need a license to get married, but you don’t need any official document to take on one of life’s biggest responsibilities—having a child.

It’s just as ironic that to adopt a dog, a shelter requires that dog to meet everyone in the family where it will live. But to buy a gun, only the individual owner has to undergo scrutiny. As the Newtown massacre proved, that’s just not sufficient.  A background check of not only the applicant, but each member of the household in which the gun will be kept, should become de rigueur in the gun-buying process.

Paul J. DiBartolo

1:58 pm on Saturday, January 19, 2013

Gary, your starting point gives me some concern. For one, the authorities end up making decisions about what I can and can't do based on some expert's evaluation of my family or friends.
Let's consider marriage; what authority has the government in how we conduct our relationships? We are now entrenched in a horrendous battle in which same-sex marriage is seeking legitimacy through government licensure. What next? Years ago I learned that whenever the government requires a license to do something it means that the government has essentially made that action illegal and is now in the business of issuing caveats for profit; marriage, dog ownership, etc. BTW, are you now pushing the abuse of requiring marriage licensees to suggest that maybe we should be required to register our children along with our dogs? When and why did the government even get into the business of controlling marriage?
Furthermore, and I realize your argument is seemingly couched in "common sense," but the Law is clear, "...the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed,” and I take that to mean under any circumstances. We can debate the meaning of the word people and we would probably agree that that encompasses all those rightful and lawful citizens but to now drag in a person's family seems to be no part of the intent that I can perceive in that statement nor have I read that interpretation anywhere else. My opinion, you need to rethink this one.

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Paul J. DiBartolo

2:05 pm on Saturday, January 19, 2013

BTW, it might interest all to know that Mr. Biden in his White House meeting with the NRA essentially informed the NRA, and by extension the American people, that the present administration does not have the time to adequately enforce existing gun laws...and I quote, "...regarding the lack of prosecutions on lying on Form 4473s, we simply don’t have the time or manpower to prosecute everybody who lies on a form, that checks a wrong box, that answers a question inaccurately" (Joe Biden).
Bottom line, to heck with the laws let's just get the guns in the easiest way possible.

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Maureen Koplow

10:52 am on Sunday, January 20, 2013

Sorry, Paul, but your logic is flawed. You seem to be saying that if we can't enforce laws 100%, we shouldn't have any laws at all. That's obviously absurd; at least it's obvious to me. We have laws against murder, and yet people are still murdered, against theft, and people still steal. Likewise for laws against arson, spousal abuse, child pornography, and driving faster than the speed limit. Laws attempt to protect citizens from each other, and though they're frequently broken, I've not heard anyone suggest that we should eliminate them just because they don't result in 100% compliance. Laws are a tool that is used to try to prevent anti-social behavior, and when laws are broken and offenders are apprehended, there are penalties that can be applied. Murderers and thieves and arsonists and kiddy porn fans can be tried, hopefully convicted, and held accountable for their actions. Without laws, there are no remedies. Without laws, society becomes a free-for-all, where the strong can victimize the weak, the majority can subjugate the minority, where brute force can dominate the helpless, and where no one has any rights at all. Yes, even with laws, people cheat on their taxes, drive with suspended licenses, and throw trash out of their car windows. The laws are not perfect, but they demonstrate society's willingness to strive for a better world for all citizens. Existing gun laws may not be 100% enforceable, but they're a step in the right direction.

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Paul J. DiBartolo

1:02 pm on Sunday, January 20, 2013

Brilliant, Maureen, but I'm not sure exactly where I suggested that a law should be dropped because it was unenforceable. Joe Biden said it, not me. In fact, any law that attempts to thwart the Constitution that has not been duly passed as an amendment is against the law. I would point you to the 2nd Amendment regarding firearms and the 10th Amendment regarding restrictions on the federal government. So, again, to give the example of what Obama and Company are doing but you tried to accuse me of doing...
Joe Biden said (Jan 18, 2013), regarding existing gun laws, and I quote, "...regarding the lack of prosecutions on lying on Form 4473s, we simply don’t have the time or manpower to prosecute everybody who lies on a form, that checks a wrong box, that answers a question inaccurately.” In other words, we don't follow the law because it is unenforceable:-) Not my words, Mo...his! Joe Biden, 2nd in command to the chief law enforcer.
Now, the law in New Jersey states that any person that cannot be shown due reason why he or she cannot be granted a hand gun permit within 30 days will be granted that permit. Unfortunately, our law enforcement organizations break that law at will all the time and I personally have been made to wait over 45 days for a permit. Each time I asked about the status of such permit, I was called the next day to pick it up because it was sitting on the desk at the police station ready to go while the law was being broken.
Now, your point was?

Maureen Koplow

8:41 pm on Sunday, January 20, 2013

In the section you quoted, Biden says the same thing I've said - that a law can't be enforce all the time. But his words say nothing about not passing laws simply because they can't all be enforced all the time. You're the one who interprets that as "Bottom line, to heck with the laws let's just get the guns in the easiest way possible." It's hard to imagine you're actually suggesting that there should be no gun laws. We both know Biden would never say such a thing.

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Paul J. DiBartolo

9:46 pm on Sunday, January 20, 2013

OK, Maureen, I'll go slow...why would you suggest passing more gun laws when you just admitted you can't (or won't) enforce the laws already on the books that attempt to do what the new laws you are suggesting would do? I know, that's 34 words plus a parenthetical with two words...quite a long sentence but I just can't help myself, I went to school when they still cared about reading and writing. Just go slow and let the words sink in. As for the interpretation...anybody worth their salt would interpret what he said just like I did. Google it and see for yourself.
Oh, and BTW, I wouldn't put it past Joe Biden to say anything that even you would find ludicrous...that's just how Joe Biden is.

Maureen Koplow

12:05 pm on Monday, January 21, 2013

Your response is rude and insulting. You imply that I don't understand the English language and that I am incapable of forming an educated opinion. People who don't have the facts on their side often resort to personal attacks, and I must conclude that is what you are doing.
As for the laws that you suggest are already on the books, they are being enforced in the majority of cases. Biden is the man chosen by our President to formulate a gun control plan, so your suggestion that he doesn't think we should have such laws is ludicrous. I admire our Vice President, and I believe he is one of the most sincere and intelligent people serving in government. But the laws you are refering to are not the issue in the nation's current discussion of gun control laws. Sadly, the law banning assault weapons was allowed to expire, and I believe it needs to be reinstituted. Laws regarding background checks do not apply to gun shows, and I believe they should. There are no current laws limiting the number of bullets in a clip, nor are there laws limiting the amount of ammunition nor the type of ammunition that can be purchased.
This will be my last reply, since no one but you seem to be reading them, and we both know your opinions and mine.

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Paul J. DiBartolo

1:05 pm on Monday, January 21, 2013

And I guess he never plagiarized either. His plagiarizing was an attempt to pull the wool over the eyes of the American people...you know, acting like something that you copied was, in fact, yours. Trying to act like you're something that you're not. A real upstanding guy. And who can forget what he said about his good friend Barack Obama when he was running against him in the primary. I guess all's fair when you are trying to win the nomination and you can say whatever it takes but if I, a common citizen, make a criticism...oh, watch out.
I'm sorry if I offended you but this is for grown-ups and that's how I react to wrong thinking. There's such a thing as the 2nd Amendment and it insults me when people, whomever they are, attempt to thwart the Law of the Land and abridge my rights.
What you are calling for is an outright affront to that law...and the 2nd Amendment is the law before anything that Joe Biden, Barrack Obama, or you think is right.
I believe these laws in New Jersey regarding firearms are unconstitutional and at some point will have to be resolved. Yes, that is my opinion.
BTW, there are laws in New Jersey that do exactly what you say...are you aware of them?
Finally, Joe Biden said, "...we simply don’t have the time or manpower to prosecute everybody who lies on a form..." So, if we cannot prosecute the laws we already have, how in the world will we find the time or the wherewithal to prosecute new laws? You have yet to answer that.

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Jon Zieg

4:24 pm on Tuesday, March 12, 2013

"I believe he is one of the most sincere and intelligent people serving in government." This is the same Joe Biden who, in an interview with Field & Stream Magazine suggested people "just fire the shotgun through the door". That's not intelligent, and it violates one of the most important safety rules of firearm ownership which is know your target.

Jon Zieg

4:40 pm on Tuesday, March 12, 2013

I know I'm late to the party, but I just happened across this article when I was doing research on my recent rescue dog. The premise between background checks for adopting a dog and background checks for purchasing a firearm, while is an interesting one doesn't hold up much weight if analyzed from a practical stand point . The whole inanimate object vs living creature aside, full background checks of family member would do little help stop rare incidents like Newtown. Yes, Adam Lanza obtained the firearms from his mothers house, but he killed his mother. Somebody capable of that atrocity is very capable of breaking into a house, killing a random neighbor or even a police office and obtaining a weapon. Most of the violence that occurs with respect to gun ownership is carried out due to the drug trade. If you want to end gun violence, address the societal issues that lead to someone picking up a weapon and miss using it.

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Paul J. DiBartolo

5:50 pm on Tuesday, March 12, 2013

It also smacks of 'guilt by association.' We're already having enough trouble with that methodology when receiving Red-Light-Camera tickets.

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