Joe

Climate change? oh the republicons wont like that.
You mean its not always 60 in January?

When is the climate going to take some personal responsibility for itself anyway? :)

No---because all the brain dead libbies who write and read these pathetic blogs worship at the altar of phony Algore warming and they love them some Gubmint control of everything. Also---which phony green lobby does he work for????

everyone is entitled to your own opinion
However not your own set of "facts"

Fact is its not always 60 in January in NJ

So basically you dont want to rebuild in Bay Head, Seaside Manaloking, Lavalette, Point Beach, Belmar etc...

Stoooopid!

Do what they do down on the outter banks of NC, for homes near the ocean and prone to flooding, build the homes up on pylons. Problem solved, you just have to pay for it.

I like that composite material! If it holds up better than the wood, in the long run it will save money. It is not 1955. We have to address these enviornmental issues and get the GOP heads out of the sand. Pardon the pun.

God help those in the community if the plastic boardwalk ever catches fire. The plume of nasty, toxic smoke would be huge. How would Mr. Tittel feel about his environmentally friendly choice then.

UMM...Do you know how much money in taxes and tourism those shore towns bring in to the state?

Money in taxes? Don't you understand that there should be no taxes? :)

when one builds levees and dam systems to conquer large portions of low lying land, as in holland or katrina, when done right and with collective purpose it's fine. but to call a dune a levee or however you spell it is not right. a dune is sand on a beach that can withstand a good pounding but not a bad one. are you saying katrina dam systems are like jersey dune system? are you saying taxpayers funding private flood insurance in a losing war against he sea is a good or just thing? get the government out of flood insurance and let the free market set the price so the ultra rich can claim the sea shore for themselves and kick the peasants out of beach havens. isn't that what's coming anyway? let's not beat around the beach. let's get to the point break.

rather spend our money fighting "a losing battle against the sea" here than see it go over seas fighting a winless was and rebuilding other conutries.

winles war*

Your first mistake is listening to that Neanderthal, reactionary, loud-mouthed, amped up, blow hard, right wing filth hole. Other than that, have a nice day.

Scroll up I have spoken.

It is like copper piping. It costs more because it lasts. Moonstruck 101. You get what you pay for. Why build a wooden boardwalk to get destroyed again.?

The material of the boardwalk irrelevant in THIS situation. A storm will likely destroy a composite boardwalk as it will a wooden boardwalk, water is a tremendous force.

Oh Gerry, give that global whining a rest already. It's not easy being green is it. The hottest year on record. Yeah and it's all because of us terrible humans right? Now that you mention it the weather was pretty nice in 2012, save that big ole bitch SANDY.

FEMA camps, oh my!

Don't believe in rising sea levels, no siree, instead rely on solid facts from Pravda, that most trusted and unbiased news source, second only to Fox.

Clyde and Pravda, perfect together. What Sandy Hook has to do with this, only Clyde knows.

Pravda "clyde?" For real? You're using PRAVDA as a source of information that climate change is phony? You're going to rail about "scare tactics of the left" and then link to the official newspaper of the Union of Soviet SOCIALIST Republics as proof that those "scare tactics" are total BS? You just have absolutely no idea what irony is, do you? Do us a favor and go bury your head in the sand somewhere else. The rest of us here are going to pay attention to reality and real science, ok?

Here is an excerpt from AAAS's (The American Association for the Advancement of Science) official statement on climate change from 2006.

"The scientific evidence is clear: global climate change caused by human activities is occurring now, and it is a growing threat to society. Accumulating data from across the globe reveal a wide array of effects: rapidly melting glaciers, destabi- lization of major ice sheets, increases in extreme weather, rising sea level, shifts in species ranges, and more. The pace of change and the evidence of harm have increased markedly over the last five years. The time to control greenhouse gas emissions is now.

The atmospheric concentration of carbon dioxide, a critical greenhouse gas, is higher than it has been for at least 650,000 years. The average temperature of the Earth is heading for levels not experienced for millions of years. Scientific predictions of the impacts of increasing atmospheric concentrations of greenhouse gases from fossil fuels and deforestation match observed changes. As expected, intensification of droughts, heat waves, floods, wildfires, and severe storms is occurring, with a mounting toll on vulnerable ecosystems and societies. These events are early warning signs of even more devastating damage to come, some of which will be irreversible."

http://www.aaas.org/news/press_room/climate_change/mtg_200702/aaas_climate_statement.pdf

"Sick of trolls" searches databases to see if there's a Clyde Donovan living in New Jersey. That's clear proof of internet stalking.

Yeah, "clyde," putting your name into Google is clearly stalking you. Know what you should do? Call the cops. Go ahead. The same cops you're always accusing of being overpaid, incompetent, and corrupt. I'm sure they'll rush to your aid.

I guess Fema Raising all the flood levels is Also just hipe ? isnt it if you lived on the coasT like i do you would see the rise in Levels pre Sandy . The highest surge recorded but its all hype my god get out your penthouse walk down to beach and then Open your eyes . and tell us how the seas aren't rising . And if anything recylce the Wood thats filling all the landfills from this Storm Composite decking is one Made with Petroleum based products two , Its is Not stronger than wood , It may stay last longer as far as not having to treat it but yes its three to four times more expensive and two you still need wood beams to attack it to . Its fasteners cost more it more labour intensive and one thing it isnt is green . And it is not stronger than wood in any way shape or form in fact you must install on 12 inch centers to do it right that intails yes more material .Belmar I would use wood period we have enough vinyl chloride polluting the air and water ways anyone remeber the little train wreck this state had . You know what those cemicails are used for that spilled into our waterways. You guessed it The Sierra Clubs answer to Belmars board walk
Go back in woods and plant something will you just what we need now is Thesegroups screwing up our local economies getting back on there feet , Better yet I dare challenge the Sierra club to adopt a hands on recycling approach of all the wood thats filling the landfills

It's not nice to cast asparagus on Cletus's developmental issues!

You know, "clyde," I might take offense to you calling me out for not using my real name, but at least my nom de plume is obvious. Yours just sounds like a real person, when in fact there is no Clyde Donovan listed as living in New Jersey. There is one in South Park, Colorado, or did you think you were the only person who watches that show?

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Clyde-Donovan/55031511325?fref=ts

The man needs to cut far more. Wake me when his cuts get in the $500mm or more range.

2% cap? really?

Stewie you still at it? Why don't you explain to us when NJ spends more than it takes in and we already have the highest taxes the money should come from? Cut state aid? Cut school aid?

Frankie - the 2% cap doesn't cover healthcare or debt service costs so municipalities can blow through the cap to pay the ever increasing union benefit costs at the expense of the middle class struggling taxpayers. I say get rid of the pensions and provide billions yes BILLIONS of immediate tax relief. Why should we pay for someone elses healthcare and pensions? Who's paying for ours?

Stewie - tell all these fine people what you would do to keep us under the 2% cap? And complaining doesn't count

Lawrence Twp total real estate tax for 2011 was $4.292 per $100 of assessed value and $4.489 in 2012. This does not include the ridiculous bulk trash collection fee approved in Dec 2012 that all will be charged no matter whether or not people use it.

Where is the 2% cap?

FROM NYTIMES 2010

The new law exempts cost increases for health care, pensions, debt service, states of emergency and increased school enrollment. It also considers increases over three years, so that a local government that raises taxes by less than 2 percent in one year can “bank” the difference and exceed the cap over the following two years. Otherwise, the government would need voter approval to exceed the limit.

While Christie is a R, both Chambers are controlled by D's. They also passed the 2% cap that you are complaining about.

Got any solutions or just like to complain?

YO Overtaxed, what would you do to reduce the taxes? Do you even know why they went up more than 2%? That might help the convo

Let me help. It's always pension and healthcare!!!

But, under the same formula, nearly three quarters of that amount – $334,345.90 – must be allocated toward paying percentages of the township’s pension contributions and health care costs for employees and also the full amount of the reserve for uncollected taxes (a figure based on the amount owed by delinquent taxpayers).

http://lawrenceville.going.com/articles/council-to-ponder-more-layoffs-ending-garbage-pickup

YO Overtaxed, what would you do to reduce the taxes? Do you even know why they went up more than 2%? That might help the convo

Let me help. It's always pension and healthcare!!!

But, under the same formula, nearly three quarters of that amount – $334,345.90 – must be allocated toward paying percentages of the township’s pension contributions and health care costs for employees and also the full amount of the reserve for uncollected taxes (a figure based on the amount owed by delinquent taxpayers).

http://lawrenceville.going.com/articles/council-to-ponder-more-layoffs-ending-garbage-pickup

Budget Cuts: Christie also cut $20 million for Legal Services, which supplies low-income residents with attorneys, and $7 million to buy technology for nonpublic schools. He vetoed a requirement for heightened oversight of halfway houses as his administration deflects criticism about the facilities since a New York Times investigation found major problems, including violent crimes and escapes, at them. [Newsday, 6/29/12]
Education Funding: Christie cut a total of $1.3 billion in state aid to education. [Daily Record (Morristown), 12/28/10]
Special Education Funding: Christie cut more than $300 million in aid for special education programs and services for students with disabilities. [Asbury Park Press, 5/4/10]
Special Higher Education: Christie cut $27 million from programs that pay for tuition and programs for students with severe disabilities. [Asbury Park Press, 5/4/10]
School Breakfast Program Funding: Christie eliminated all $3 million in state funding for school breakfast programs. [Star-Ledger, 4/21/10]
School Lunch Program: Christie cut $2.4 million in state funding for the school

Yo stew we don't have any money to spend and stuff gets cut. That's how it works. Christie didn't cut state aid. He couldn't give what he didn't have. Which was the billions in borrowded from china failed obummy stimulus aid that corslime used all up in 09. Where was the dough to come from? Show us? Explain. Your ignorance is annoying even for a lib from bankrupt California.

Where was the money to pay for the "cuts"? What's next cc should fund the pensions with a special nj coin ? Hahahaha. Learn the budget

School Breakfast Program Funding: Christie eliminated all $3 million in state funding for school breakfast programs. [Star-Ledger, 4/21/10]
School Lunch Program: Christie cut $2.4 million in state funding for the school lunch program. [Star-Ledger, 4/29/11]
Higher Education Funding: Christie cut $173 million from higher education - prompting a 4-percent tuition increase for in-state students at Rutgers University. [The Chronicle of Higher Education, 1/2/11]
Higher Education Funding: Christie cut $9.2 million from the Tuition Aid Grant program. [New Jersey Newsroom, 3/14/11]

Yo stew ski why post stuff and refuse to answer. Where was the money corzine burned? He used all of husseins jobs ready stimulus for school aid. Where does one find a billion in non recurring revenues eh stew. You re such a clown.

Liberals are so dumb

http://www.northjersey.com/news/84879497_Christie_takes_shot_at_Corzine_over_stimulus.html?scpromo=1

School Breakfast Program Funding: Christie eliminated all $3 million in state funding for school breakfast programs. [Star-Ledger, 4/21/10]
School Lunch Program: Christie cut $2.4 million in state funding for the school lunch program. [Star-Ledger, 4/29/11]
Higher Education Funding: Christie cut $173 million from higher education - prompting a 4-percent tuition increase for in-state students at Rutgers University. [The Chronicle of Higher Education, 1/2/11]
Higher Education Funding: Christie cut $9.2 million from the Tuition Aid Grant program. [New Jersey Newsroom, 3/14/11]
Higher Education Scholarships: Christie cut $2.3 million from the Educational Opportunity Fund. Educational Opportunity Fund scholarships are awarded to students from financially and academically challenged backgrounds and enable them to attend state institutions. [Better Choices for New Jersey, FY 2010 Report Card]

Higher Education Scholarships: Christie cut $700,000 from the New Jersey Student Tuition Assistance Rewards Scholarship (NJ STARS). This scholarship rewards students who graduate in the top 15 percent of their class with tuition help. [The Press of Atlantic City, 6/23/10]
After-School Funding: Christie cut funding for New Jersey After 3 by $7.4 million dollars. New Jersey After 3 is a public/private after-school program that serves approximately 12,000 children up to age 13 from predominantly lower- and middle-income families. [Philly.com, 6/22/10]
Summer Care Programs: Christie cut $5.2 million from a Division of Families and Children program that provides summer care for children of working families. [Better Choices for New Jersey, FY 2010 Report Card]

Hey Stewart, you need to wake up. The year is 2013. Get with the program!

Yo Stewie what are you afraid of? WHERE WOULD THE MONEY COME FROM? Higher property taxes?

Did you forget that Shelia Oliver and Steve Sweeney controlled the senate and house? What did the Demwits do?

Why are liberal so dumb?

Let's borrow from China and never pay it back like Obammy is doing!!! Is that the solution Stewie?

Now we are getting somewhere... I say ban those pain in the ars bicyclists that cut in front of my car, and when I cross the street... they want to hog up the whole planet... Ban the EPA while your at it : )

Oh, don't forget the one about the aliens from Sirius who was having sex with children.

http://english.pravda.ru/hotspots/crimes/11-01-2013/123448-alien_sirius-0/

Have fun wasting your time surfing Russian websites.

@stewart resmer, an editorial is nothing more than an opinion, and everyone has one of those. Know what I mean?

Tell Chris Christie to stop protecting millionaires!

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Chris Christie just vetoed, for the third time, a bill to require millionaires to pay their fair share.

And even though everyone knows it's dangerous to spend money you don't have Christie wants to hand out a big tax break to the rich.

Even though the Legislature balanced the state budget - with a plan to give New Jersey families a property tax refund once it's certain our state has the money to pay for it.

Now Andrew Sidamon-Eristoff, Christie's own State Treasurer, says New Jersey's revenues fell hundreds of millions of dollars short. That shortfall could mean large cuts to schools, public safety and other vital services.

Call Governor Christie at 609-292-6000. Tell him to stop being reckless with New Jersey's future - and make the rich pay their fair share.

Oh please, how about you start offering to pay more taxes before you start demanding someone else pay more. The people who make the most in this state not only pay the most, they pay more than here than they would pay in most other states. Stop trying to drive them out of NJ with your class warfare nonsense.

Yo all stewie is a california Lin transplanted to nj. Hey stewie tell the Dem losers in the senate and house to do something but fund union payrolls. They can vote on anything they want. Wheres the bill? Stew writes he hates property taxes which are caused by high union pay and benefits but he wants someone else to pay higher income taxes for him. Hypocrite liberal

Hey, "mcskeevey," lay off Mr. Resmer. At least he has the guts to post his opinions under his real name. Not only are his posts based on fact instead of rhetoric like yours, but he has the common courtesy not to call people names. Your type of rambling, incoherent, fallacious, and combative posts are not wanted here. If you can't keep it civil, I suggest you go some place like NJ.com where your childish name calling and anonymous ranting is not only tolerated but apparently encouraged.

Hey, Winston's back. Nice to see you! You getting a good eduction with those student loans I'm bank-rolling?

Just got off the phone with my employer. The wickhead cut my pay. He tried to tell me my taxes went up, but I called him on his BS and reminded him the President of the United States swore up and down that any family making less than $250,000 wouldn’t see their taxes go up, and believe me, we are far below $250,000, far below!

Here is proof: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJVMWjTQh_Y

The Bush tax cuts did nothing to create jobs
Guess you missed the 700 k job loss per month during the Bush admin the one who brought you the Iraq War based on lies?
The tax cuts are not permanent.
Funny how we didnt see W on the campain trail for the magic underwear flip flopper

If the Bush tax cuts did nothing to create jobs, Obama and so many others wouldn't have been so worried about how the expiration of the tax cuts would cut GDP and jobs. You really need to stop saying things that even the guy you voted for and got into the White House completely disagree with.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/uploads/consumer_report_embargo.pdf

Yo liberal losers. If the bush tax cuts suck so bad why did obammy and his Dem buddies make them permanent? Duh! Liberals Re so stupid. The debt is irresponsible but let obammy double it. Idiots

Porter - wha wha wha. Try defending your stupid posts.

Hey, "mcskeevie": defending their posts against what, exactly? Your inane name calling? When you can make a coherent argument, maybe you'll get a defense. And why not use your real name, so we all know just what kind of a neighbor you are?

wow $1 billion a year over 10 years which represents less than 1/32 of the state budget. The idiot in the whitehouse borrows 3x that a day to hand out his freebies.

You probably get a tingle up your leg when BHO says he will cut $3trillion over 10 years so instead of the debt growing by 12 trillion, it only goes up 9.

At least you know we spend too much and that is why we have a budget shortfall. What do you recommend we do to balance the budget? Borrow from China like BHO does?

I say we get rid of the pension system and make all state employees go on Obamacare. Afterall, it is supposed to be a great system and save money so why not.

New Jersey’s economic performance ranked 47th in the nation in 2011. And right now, the [New Jersey] unemployment rate is 9.6%–surpassing the national rate by almost 2%.

Yeah Stewart, we know that and so does Christie. Why do you think he keeps wanting to cut taxes in a state with the highest tax burden in the country? Lower taxes are good for jobs!

And your solutions to that are ????

You seem to think you are such a smart guy. Tell us what you would do to create jobs and reduce the property tax burden of our residents due to high union wages, pension costs and benefits?

Stewart's solution is a tax increase and more spending of course.

Steward's solution is a total government take over. He fails to see it is the government that caused the problem to begin with. But, folks like Stu will run off telling everyone if you just allow the government to control your property, what you eat, what you learn, how many children you can have, what type of car you drive, how much energy you can use, and when you can be intimate with your spouse, all will be okay!

Anyone who actually believes the government can take better care of you than you can yourself, is simply a pathetic minded fool who has no faith in himself and is afraid of the bogyman. Believe me when I tell you this. Obama, Boehner, Bernanke, Christie, Lautenberg, and the rest of the monkeys right on down the line don’t even know your name, nor do they care too. Let allow know what’s good for you! All they want from you is your hard earned money. STOP KIDDING YOURSELF!

BTW, I bet you 16 trillion dollars, good old Stu doesn’t own property with-in a 1000 feet of the shore line.

How does a government takeover reduce our high property tax bills which are caused by excessive pay, benefits and pensions for union workers.

@ Joe Taxpayer - Don’t try to use logic with people like Stu. They just know if the government does it, it will be A-Okay, at least in their feeble little minds!

Christie can do two things, neither of which cost much money and both of which will start NJ back on the road to greatness.

1) Make NJ a Right to Work State!
2) Make NJ a Must Issue State!

That will re-charge employment, and bring about safety, virtually for free!

I’m actually surprised that most of Christie’s supporters don’t push him to do this!

Take anon poster(s) serious that simply will not and can not bring themselves to use their true and correct real names, who hurl epithets and ad hominen like so many from the right in comment sections across the blogosphere rather than seriously and honestly debate the issues of our time? yeah right.

Steward, Do you post under your real name? How would we know that? Are you who you say you are?

Doesn’t matter because you really don’t debate, you SHOVE your POV down anyone’s throat who doesn't agree with you. Self-Reliance, Private Property Ownership, and Real Freedoms, were the founding reasons for this country. The Constitution was written to protect we the citizens from the government, not to give the government power over us!

Also, if you study the history of this great country you’ll discover people like Ben Franklin, and Abraham Lincoln, were strong supporters of anonymous free speech, because they understood just how repressive and nasty a government can get against it cynics.

"Joe Taxpayer?" What, are you so afraid that other people might realize what kind of jerk you are that you can't post using your real name? I hate to break it to you, but they already know. Why should anyone take you seriously? Go back to NJ.com with your name calling and childish posts, we don't want you here.

Stew, what are your solutions to the spending and high property tax problem we have in NJ?

Sick of the trolls, wow, that is an interesting name. Does your mother call you sick or troll?

"clyde donovan", is that you? Did you start another account with the name of a South Park character thinking I wouldn't notice? Maybe next time use a Simpson's character, that might be a little less obvious.

It looks like "Sick of trolls" is reaching the psychological breaking point. I suspect it won't be long before "Sick" will be posting death threats against Patch users.

No one would ever be so obvious as to use a Simpsons character, SOTT, get real!

Chris Rock knows more about the economy than krugman and he is at least funny.

Donna, it was 74F on this date in NJ in 1967. Maybe someone should tell Sherm, (who wrote a post way up in this thread) that!

Yes the weather cycles, just like everything else on this plaint. Can you believe it?

youll be gone all right in a few more months when the next hurricane hits
didja know its always 32 in Ca
is the ocean temp warming? you betcha
is BUsh a chimp yep

Is ak the home of welfare where Bristol would have been a welfare queen if not for her mommy where folks get a check from oil profits just for living there
I bet donna thinks Newtown was staged

The envirowackos like to use the weather data in small areas like the US or just the arctic so that their "averages" look more significant - all scientists that are not deriving all of their income from hawking "global warming" realize that when looked at on the whole there is no significant global warming trend.

Donna and Christine and the rest of you climate change deniers are wrong and proud of it, which is exactly how stupid works.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2013/01/14/no_global_warming_for_16_years_debunking_climate_change_denial.html

Again, denying that the weather changes is much like denying that daylight will follow night. The fact that the weather changes does not a crisis make. The name calling by some on this thread simply adds to the lack of intelligence with respect to the lack of argument. Chicken Little ran around in storybooks when I was a kid proclaiming that the sky was falling. I think that to belittle genuine science with political agendas cheapens its findings across the board.

The amount of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere contributed by man is infinitesimally small. ... "In 2009, the CO2 global average concentration in Earth's atmosphere was about 0.0387%, or 387 parts per million." (per wikipedia) This is the TOTAL amount of carbon dioxide. That's four hundredths of one percent. Scientists aren't unbiased. The are as prone to grandstanding as anyone.

PLEASE PROCEED, GOP.
The primary greenhouse gas responsible for global warming is carbon dioxide. The U.S. is responsible for 19.91% of the carbon dioxide emissions worldwide.
Since 1990, yearly emissions of carbon dioxide have gone up by about 6 billion metric tons worldwide, which is more than a 20% increase. Almost all of that increase is due to human activities. Carbon dioxide takes 100 years to disperse in the atmosphere. Even if emissions are stopped today, we will still feel the effects for years to come. Coral reefs are highly sensitive to small changes in water temperature. Scientists say if current CO2 emission trends continue, the world's coral reefs could be virtually destroyed by 2050.

stewart - Would you propose then that we collectively hold our breaths in order to reduce carbon emissions? How do suggest we "control" China's "carbon footprint?" Perhaps President Obama (since you seem to want to politicize this) could send them a tersely worded letter.

Donna, climate change denial is on the 3rd floor along with tin foil hats and flat earth society items including great deals on new old stock unused 2011 snow plows. Prepper shelters have been moved to the basement, assault weapons have been discontinued entirely.

uhmmm donna? China pledges to curb auto emissions, reduce air pollution.LATimes.com
Holding your breath would be a good start here abouts, and no, I do not seek to politicize 'this' you on the other hand seem to be eager to shift the political discussion away from the failed policies of the sitting governor

China also pledges to respect human rights. You dumb enough to believe them Stewart?

sparty? The United States, with a history of both promoting and disregarding human rights abroad, has a similarly mixed record at home. The federal government continues abusive counterterrorism policies, including indefinite detention and flawed military commissions at Guantanamo Bay. The criminal justice system is marred by racial disparities and harsh sentences. The US incarcerates more people than any other country, often in conditions that violate inmates’ rights. The rights of immigrants—authorized and unauthorized—are threatened by federal policies, state laws, and the rapid expansion of immigration detention. Finally, the US sometimes fails to provide remedies to survivors of abuse, particularly women and vulnerable groups.
Source: Human Rights Watch

Stewie - China pledges to reduce carbon emissions while our embassy in Beijing continues to provide their own air supply due to excessive smog. Have you seen the news this week? Please....political pollution policies which demand that the evil United States unilaterally shuts down industry is a chicken little philosophy which I'm not buying. I won't be riding a bike to work anytime soon or encouraging our nation to shut down oil production in order to soothe the shattered (allbeit, extremely wealthy) ego of the likes of Al Gore. You're welcome to drink the Kool Aid. Even climatologists have fessed up to continuing the myth of man-made global warming for the purposes of promoting financially lucrative policies.

AGW is horse crap.

http://climaterealists.com/index.php?id=10917

David - I'm not arguing that climate on our planet cycles. I am arguing that to attribute a political agenda to same is noteworthy and foolhardy. Again....refer to the University of East Anglia scandal. And when you state that scientists "believe" in global warming, I am even further unconvinced. I would much rather they "prove" it.

Donna G., I would rather they 'prove' it too but that notion once again signifies that you are not well versed on the science. To repeat, it's very complicated with many contributing factors, some of which we can control and others we cannot. Research and discovery is ongoing of course, but in the meantime the vast majority of the 98% of scientists who agree that humans are part of the cause (how much of the cause is really irrelevant because it's the only part we can control) also agree that our window for action to minimize or at least delay the worst effects is quickly closing. Hope to see you at the library on 1/30.

If research is "ongoing", why declare that "the science is settled"? Why ignore the other changes going on in our universe? The Earth is slowing and cooling. The magnetic north pole is rocketing towards Russia as our magnetic shields are collapsing. The atmosphere is shrinking as our Military dumps aluminum particles into it. Then there's glacial rebound, CME's, and the inconvenient truth that the polar ice caps on Mars are melting too.

Clinging to the notion that man is responsible for our planet's changes demonstrates that these "scientists" are addicted to research grant money, and are useful idiots to those pushing for global governance.

Sorry, David but I do not buy into "consensus" science. If a "theory" does not make sense to me, I do not ascribe to it simply to fulfill a political agenda. I think that we must do our part as residents of this earth to be good stewards. However, to say that we are largely responsible for global warming is nonsensical....and that, my friend, is where we will never find common ground. I think that there are far greater threats to humanity than an alleged carbon footprint.

BN, let's be clear, I have never and will never say 'man is responsible for our planet's changes.' What I said, is that I agree with scientific consensus that human activity is contributing to the warming climate. It is not the only factor, that is certain, but it is the only factor we can control. also certain. Secondly, yes I am well aware of Soros, Monsanto etc. There are bad eggs on both sides, no doubt, but once again that does not change the science. Your comment 'If research is "ongoing", why declare that "the science is settled" is ridiculous. Research continues re. smoking posing cancer risk, but does that mean it's not true? I do happen to know a doctor who says smoking does not increase risk of cancer, would you believe him? Finally, "Clinging to the notion that man is responsible for our planet's changes demonstrates that these "scientists" are addicted to research grant money" Really? If you were an unscrupulous scientist chasing $$, would you align yourself with an indebted government, university or other non-profit, or would you go for the most profitable industry in history?

WEll said fed up. that is it in a nutshell. nanny state, lib disaster chasing money grubbing, do nothing , so called intellectuals with no regard for truth. just their idea of how the facts are interpreted.

Exactly what is your definition of 'liberalism?' How about 'liberal media' What might that include in your book?

Al Gore is a mouthpiece, not a scientist. What he believes, says, does, how he lives, what he drives etc. has nothing to do with the science. If you want to maintain a contrarian view and have intelligent people take you seriously, do your homework and pay close attention to the source of the info. and who backs them financially. Fortunately, the internet makes that a relatively easy task.

Monk, your numbers are interesting but are meaningless without context, and CO2 is not the only greenhouse gas. Some scientists maintain that methane is just as harmful.

How about the people backing YOUR theories? The same people who stand to profit off the sale of carbon credits. While were on the subject, George Soros has a large stake in Monsanto. You DO know about Monsanto, right?

If Yellowstone erupts or if a comet or CME "kill shot" hits, are you still going to blame mankind?

I still like to call it "weather".

Every article has slightly different numbers, but ... Earth's atmosphere: N2 >78%, O2 =21%, Argon <1%, the rest =0.037680%. Of that, Carbon Dioxide = 0.035%. Of that, anthropogenic CO2 = some infinitesimally small number.
This is tilting at windmills, attacking imaginary enemies. The cost of this "war" on fossil fuels is less justified than the cost of the wars in the Middle East.

Name me 1 person in this region who has done more to get Sandy Aid on the agenda, on the national news and through Congress and chances are I will call you a liar b/c nobody has done more than Christie.

Christie has done more than the legislative delegations of NY, NJ & CT, combined. He's done more than Obama, and he's done more than the governors of NY & CT. There are things you can ding Christie on, this isn't one of them.

Agree w/ Spartacus and Stig; you may not agree w/ Christie's agenda or style, but he is fighting hard for our state, particularly in the wake of this disaster.