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Grassroots Group Opposes Disc Golf Course

Preparations for the Timber Creek Park disc golf course are underway, and some in the community aren't happy.

 

A grassroots group is challenging work being done in preparation for a disc golf course at Timber Creek Park.

The group contends the clearing of trees to make way for the disc golf course is threatening plants and wildlife in the 130-acre Camden County-owned park.

Broadmoor residents Chris and Joanne Schillizzi discovered dozens of trees had been cut down in the woods at Timber Creek Park on Sept. 22.

"They're cutting huge swaths through the woods," Chris Schillizzi said.

The Schillizzis, joined by Jan Pijpelink and Joanne Talahatu, have since launched a Facebook page—Save Timber Creek Park—in protest of the tree-clearing activity and distributed fliers attempting to rally like-minded area residents.

The Facebook page had garnered 112 "likes" as of 10 p.m. Wednesday.

"We're just a few people who are saying, 'We can't let this happen,'" Chris Schillizzi said.

The group estimates that four to five dozen trees of about 4-6 inches in diameter had been cut down, in addition to brush, through Tuesday afternoon.

County officials announced in late July that a disc golf course would be constructed in the park, which is located off Chews Landing Road near Somerdale Road. The county hopes to have the course open this fall.

"There's a constituency here that wants to have and use a disc golf course," county spokesman Dan Keashen said.

Disc golf features individual players who toss discs at targets. According to the Professional Disc Golf Association, disc golf shares with traditional golf the objective of completing each hole in the fewest number of throws.

Chris Schillizzi told Patch he wasn't thrilled with the idea when he first learned of it, but was OK with it so long as it didn't require any clearing of trees or other vegetation. That the park's grounds remain in their natural state, except for the former Slim's Ranch field, was a key part of the planning process for the area back in 2005, he argues.

Camden County officials acknowledge trees and brush are being cleared to make way for the disc golf course.

"There are some trees coming down," Keashen said. "This is true."

Keashen noted the trees are "young, not matured, trees," putting their size at about 3 to 4 inches in diameter. He also indicated the county will plant two trees in the park for every one that is taken down.

"We're not clear-cutting any portion of the park," he said. "There are no bulldozers lined up."

Keashen says there will not be greens fees for use of the disc golf course. He added that while the course may serve as an economic engine for the surrounding area, the only fees the county will collect for the course's use will be for large tournaments.

 

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Ron October 4, 2012 at 06:20 pm
It is clear that you are not familiar with Disc Golf and have not been introduced to it. It is a wonderful activity that can be enjoyed by everyone. The young, the old, the rich, the poor. It is literally a "Hike in the woods with a Frisbee" Do yourself a favor and try it sometime! You might actually find that you like it. Even if you try it and don't like it, that if fine. This is why there is Vanilla, chocolate and strawberry ice cream. Please also remember that there are well over 500,000 residents in Camden County, most of those residents pay taxes and not all of them use the dog park, the playground, the cross country course, the outdoor amphitheater, the pavilions the bathrooms, the water fountains or the park itself for that matter. Does that mean those things should not have been built, because all 500,000+ people did not want it???? This is a great opportunity for the park, the township and the county to provide an inexpensive activity for everyone to use and enjoy if they so choose to.
Ron October 4, 2012 at 06:24 pm
John, It is actually not a traditional golf course played with clubs and balls, it is a Disc Golf Course. Disc Golf is a "hike in the woods with a Frisbee" Do you stay away from the beach in the summer because people play Frisbee?
ResidentX October 4, 2012 at 06:25 pm
The bottom line is that no one is ever going to be completely happy. There is always one side for and one side against. Can't everyone just be happy with some kind of growth? Its disc golf, they aren't clear cutting tropical rain forest. The park belongs to everyone, including cross country runners who have been hasseled by some of these "owners." The real issue is people treating the entirity of Timber Creek Park like a dog park, and not having their dogs on leashes. You people think local and county governments should spend the money on things you "need" like having people take your trash to the curb for you or power washing your house for you. Get real.
Will Powers October 4, 2012 at 06:47 pm
No Edythe. The article was in patch over 2 Months Ago, not two weeks ago or so.
Christian Exley October 4, 2012 at 07:34 pm
The County is working on that right now. And everyone seems to be complaining about all the traffic problems it caused too!
Christian Exley October 4, 2012 at 07:36 pm
No. Disc Golfers will even coordinate with the school to make sure we don't have tournaments and meets on the same day. This way we don't over populate the park.
tomas October 4, 2012 at 07:42 pm
This Chris person is quite the character. When avid disc golfers found his anti-timber creek facebook page they started sharing positive anecdotes and stories about the pros and joys of disc golf. With a half hour there was healthy and friendly discussions between the two sides of this issue. Chris (the admin of the facebook site) then went ahead and deleted EVERY SINGLE POST OR COMMENT that was in favor of the disc golf course. He is acting like a spoiled little child that has to share his toy with the rest of the class.
Christian Exley October 4, 2012 at 07:53 pm
We found one of those cross country signs that was stolen from you, hidden in the woods where one of our fairways is going the other day. We left it by the bridge for the runners to get back.
tomas October 4, 2012 at 07:58 pm
The main thing to realize here is that the Disc Golf course will not interfere with any other activities that go on at the park. Disc golf is one of the most dog friendly sports I know and all of my friends bring their dogs out with them when they play
Matthew Jared October 4, 2012 at 09:42 pm
I am a third generation Camden County resident and I fully support the instillation of the Timber Creek Disc Golf Course. It is possible to both preserve the park and enjoy a wonderful disc golf course. Simply look at other well established disc golf courses in the area, Iron Hill in Delaware, Sedgley Woods in Philadelphia and Tyler State Park in Newton, PA. Disc golfers are great stewards of the parks, constantly up-keeping the land and picking up trash. Avid disc golfers, like myself, will travel great distances to play different courses, which will only help the local economy. Disc golf is a great low cost recreational activity to be enjoyed by all ages. Unlike traditional ball golf courses, which require massive clearing, enormous irrigation systems, pesticides, weed killers, new grass and stringent upkeep, disc golf courses are extremely less intrusive to the environment. The building of a disc golf course simply requires minimal underbrush clearing and the occasional removal of small, new growth trees/saplings. This then allows for native species to grow back and flourish. Don't take my word for it, read more here: <http://www.discgolf.com/testimonials/>
<http://www.discgolf.com/disc-golf-course-design/benefits-of-disc-golf/> <http://www.innovadiscs.com/media/PDF/course_brochure_2010_web.pdf>
Lifeisgood October 5, 2012 at 12:28 am
The main issue here is that Mr. Schlillizzi is not going to be able to walk his dog around the park without a leash anymore. Too often am I at the park and dogs are walking around unsupervised without leashes. Outside of the 9 ACRE dog park, dogs must be on leashes. It is out of control! This is also why Mr. Schillizzi has an issue with the cross country team. Just ask the coaches! This is not just a dog park. Stop being a BULLY and learn to share the park!
Dave Prue October 5, 2012 at 10:12 am
Parks are for recreation and disc golf is exactly that. Of course some trees have to be cut down, this is necessary as society expands for homes, schools, roads and PARKS!
John Reynolds October 5, 2012 at 01:52 pm
Ron, we walk in the park sometimes, and I'm sure disc golf is a fine activity, but I'd prefer the area remain natural. But if the county wants to spend money, why not build a canoe launch or a mountain bike trail along the creek, or hell, an assault rifle range so we can scare the dogs and their owners when they run amok:)
Ron October 5, 2012 at 02:53 pm
LOL....to the assault rifle range, but a canoe launch in addition to the disc golf course would be very cool.
Adam October 5, 2012 at 06:46 pm
Tried tointroduce myself to Chris so we might work together and improve the situation. His response was "We will not get along..." I asked his stance, he replied "Absolutely, undeniably, irretractably a closed stance". All he was interested in was condenming the disc golfers/park department for cutting down trees and yelling at me, calling me a liar.
He wanted me to bet me $50 that larger trees were cut down - I refused and asked to be shown around. He then condemned my integrity that I would not post what I saw. SO here I am. He did show me 2 trees that seemed to be 6-7" trunks that were cut. Those were 'swamp maples' (common name) that grow extremely fast and can choke out stronger more durable tree species such as oak, hickory and . Chris and his wife argued with me about what the trees are called and yelled more when I stated they grow like weeds. They yelled at everything (including each other) for that matter. Despite asking multiple times to be shown the damaged flowers, they would not, refused over and over. I just want to clean up the debris and know where to avoid in the future so those flowers have a chance next year, they refused again and again. Some environmental protector he is! I am iuncredibly turned off by this man, his demeanor, and arrogant attiude. If he would've been slightly polite, I might have gotten him and his wife to show me something - but I just got yelled at for 10 minutes and told to leave. WOW, how helpful.
Linda October 6, 2012 at 09:34 pm
I have encountered nothing but professionalism from Mr. Schillizzi.
Linda October 6, 2012 at 09:36 pm
I am curious if the county is accepting all liability for this. Does anyone know?
Linda October 6, 2012 at 10:04 pm
Since the parking lot is so small, and usually full, I am assuming that they will need to enlarge it for the influx of visitors?
Linda October 6, 2012 at 10:08 pm
Agree with you John
Jan Pijpelink October 8, 2012 at 07:48 pm
Tomas,
First of all Chris did not delete anything, I did. You obviously do not know what the Facebook page is about. Let me explain it again. We are not against disc golf, not at all. We are against tree cutting because of the installation of a course when there is one in Stafford Woods less than 5 miles away. The Facebook page is about that and only that and not intended to advertise the promotion of disc golf. It is about preservation of the park as promised by the county. That is why all comments about why there should be a course are deleted.
Ron October 9, 2012 at 02:03 am
Hi Jan,
If you are only opposed to the cutting down of trees, then please explain to me why there was ZERO opposition to the cutting down of trees to make room for the dog park fence, the wide path to access the dog park, and the playground???? If you were sincerely concerned about the trees wouldn't you have taken the same stance/ position on those projects as you have against this one. It seems like your concern for a couple of small trees has risen out of your own special interests. Please take the time to visit other parks with disc golf courses to see with your own eyes how there is zero negative environmental impact from disc golf.
Linda October 9, 2012 at 03:59 am
Where is "here"?
Linda October 9, 2012 at 04:05 am
"You people"? Really?? You make snide to try to incite an argument, hide behind a name such as "ResidentX" and tell others to "Get real"?
Jan Pijpelink October 9, 2012 at 04:35 am
Hi Jan,
If you are only opposed to the cutting down of trees, then please explain to me why there was ZERO opposition to the cutting down of trees to make room for the dog park fence, the wide path to access the dog park, and the playground???? If you were sincerely concerned about the trees wouldn't you have taken the same stance/ position on those projects as you have against this one. It seems like your concern for a couple of small trees has risen out of your own special interests. Please take the time to visit other parks with disc golf courses to see with your own eyes how there is zero negative environmental impact from disc golf. Hi Ron, There was a lot of resistance to the dog park. We (me included) have been at many public meetings with the county to discuss this. The county insisted to have a dog park installed because they did not allow off leash dogs in the woods. So Chris and I walked through the woods with the contractor who was hired by the county to select a location were there was not too much damage done to the surroundings.
Ron October 9, 2012 at 01:38 pm
Hi Jan,
As reported in the Courier Post on October 4th, " Trees were removed for Timber Creek’s popular dog park without incident in 2010 and there was no opposition when the county built a bridge for high school cross-country meets." The fact remains the same, THERE WERE TREES CUT DOWN TO MAKE WAY FOR THE DOG PARK FENCE, THE PATH LEADING TO THE DOG PARK & THE PLAYGROUND & THE BRIDGE. If you are going to play the environmental card you need to make sure you are consistent. You can't use it when you oppose something and not use it when you are for something. Whether you walked the park with a contractor or not, the FACT remains the same........ TREES WERE REMOVED TO MAKE WAY FOR THE DOG PARK FENCE, THE PATH THAT LEADS TO THE DOG PARK, THE PLAYGROUND & THE BRIDGE. Please explain to all of us the REAL reason you and Chris are so opposed to the disc golf course, because it clearly is not about the trees.
Jan Pijpelink October 9, 2012 at 01:46 pm
As I mentioned before, there was a lot of opposition in the public meetings with the county to have a dog park installed. But the county already made a decision that could not be overturned. Were you at any of those meetings? We always opposed tree cutting for what ever reason. The county was of the opinion that an area for off leash dogs was more important.
Ron October 9, 2012 at 05:11 pm
LOL......OKAY........ I don't recall seeing the "Save Timber Creek Facebook Page" dedicated to opposing the Dog Park. Jan, I hate to tell you this, but........IT IS NOT "YOUR" PARK
P.S. The disc golf course was already approved and money has been allocated & spent.
Steve October 10, 2012 at 05:38 pm
Unhappy people will always find something to crusade against.
joan chovit October 18, 2012 at 05:39 pm
they probably will co ordinate on meets but i see the team running on non meet days. do your team members want to take a chance on being hit by the sharp edge of a frisbee thats used for frisbee golf? it's not the rounded edge type most of us a familiar with. have you looked at where the game might be played? very well thought out. it's between a playground and the dog park. i don't mind the game it's the lousy placement and the fact that notices were never posted at the dog park or childrens playground so everyone could work as a team to discuss placement. there are many acres of unused park that could have better suited the game. also i like to walk through the woods and i can't now. it wouldn't be safe or peaceful. just one i'd like the people that are supposed to speak for us be upfront. as usual they post notices during the summer and never gave a thought to notices elsewhere.
Dave Prue October 23, 2012 at 05:46 pm
Swamp Red Maples have intrusive roots, making them unfavorable to be grown near other trees.

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