$25 for Two First Class Stamps? That’s Gloucester Township Math

State law allows "up to" amounts for costs, and the Township will unashamedly charge the max to homeowners behind in their taxes or sewer bills.

If every postal customer were like the Gloucester Township tax office, the U.S. Postal Service would be swimming in money, rather than finding ways to scale back services and climb out of near bankruptcy.

That’s the only conclusion that can be drawn when the Township chooses to tack on $25 per property to cover the cost of mailing a delinquency notice. This on top of other costs associated with the pending “accelerated” tax sale, scheduled for Dec. 18. For my part, I received two letters via regular mail—two 45 ¢ stamps—but am being charged $25 for the correspondence intended to collect a couple hundred bucks that I was already making payments on.

Under state law (54:5-38), the Township can charge “2% of the existing lien…but not less than $15 and not more than $100 for each parcel” included in the tax sale. For a significant chunk of those on the 102-page delinquency list—those who owe $750 or less—that equates to the minimum $15. But that fee isn’t enough.  On top of the woe being dished out during the holiday season, the tax collector unashamedly cites statute 54:5-26, which states:

In lieu of any two publications, notice to the property owner and to any person or entity entitled to notice of foreclosure pursuant to section 20 of P.L.1948, c.96 (C.54:5-104.48) may be given by regular or certified mail, the costs of which shall be added to the cost of the sale in addition to those provided in R.S.54:5-38, not to exceed $25 for each [set of notices] notice for a particular property. 

So like the worst kind of ad agency that charges clients for staples and faxes, the Township is focusing on the “not to exceed” fee in order to squeeze even more out of those who already owe. Had they added a buck, they’d make a 10 ¢ profit over the cost of postage for two mailings, or break even if you count the paper and printer ink. Heck, $2 would cover all the mailing fees quite nicely.

But it’s not enough for a greedy administration that insists on further picking the pockets of its residents least likely to be able to pay.  

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Sybil Evans December 11, 2012 at 03:03 PM
Paul, I assume your remarks were made toward me, as I stated in prior posts: what is wrong with you? Why act like a two year old, name calling and picking on punctuation? Really? You seriously think your better then me? Try reading most of your posts. He who lives in glass houses should not throw stones. Well all I can say is if the only thing you can debate about anything I posted was my poor grammar. I surly made my point. Now be a good little troll and tell your buddy pay his taxes. If not I promise I will do everything I can to buy his lien, I will record it and report it to the credit bureaus then I will send it out for collection. Hey good news on that, If you want to see if I am who I say I am maybe you can convince your friend to not pay and then you will find out, I guarantee you will both eat crow.
Sybil Evans December 11, 2012 at 03:07 PM
Oh Paul you keep making accusations of me being a shill yet your the one on here calling everyone names and saying they are liars every time anyone says anything bad about a republican or good about a democrat. you have yet to back up one of your claims with a fact. By the way Paul a little hint just because you say you never heard of something before does not make it a fact. Instead it shows your lack of education.
Sybil Evans December 11, 2012 at 03:20 PM
Paul just for the record I am probably more of a conservative then you. As you know most conservatives really don't like people who rely on others to cover their bills. I don't think in terms of Democrat or Republican, I think in terms of for the people by the people. Although I congratulate this group of democrats as they have not raised taxes in 3 years now. No other town in NJ can say the same. I also think if someone is living beyond their means they should sell their home and move to where they can afford to live. If someone is so irresponsible that they went on a trip with strippers just before the tax deadline and forgot to pay their taxes then they need to man up, shut up, and pay them now. Don't write a blog about the fees it was probably less then a lapdance would cost him. Don't write a blog saying your so down and out then brag about being on a trip with strippers. Think smart, his blog is hurting your homes value. Why would you keep protecting him. Amazing! Or are you now going to give us some BS that his blog to the world telling everyone how 3500 people in our town are late on their taxes is somehow helping your homes value. Tell your buddy to shut his mouth stop embarrassing himself and our values and PAY HIS TAXES!
Paul J. DiBartolo December 11, 2012 at 04:36 PM
Time to man up or shut up yourself, Sybil (better?). So, please quote verbatim the lie(s) you say I've posted and I will thank you very much. Remember, Sybil, saying it doesn't make it so; we need proof. Secondly, you are more conservative than me...please provide details. I've I stated that I was a conservative? Not in my profile (I happen to have one...you don't); maybe in one one of my blogs or comments...please quote chapter and verse and I will thank you very much. Once we establish my worldview we can then determine what you are compared to me. > Fact: I do not know Gary Frisch from Adam and his writing here is my first awareness of him. > Fact: I have written numerous emails to township council and Mr. Mayer and have received but two or three replies from only one individual that essentially say, "I disagree with you" and no further explanation ever offered for the actions taken by our leadership. Finally, I'm game and up for the challenge, are you? Exactly what does your following comment mean? "...just because you say you never heard of something before does not make it a fact. Instead it shows your lack of education" (Sybil Evans). What did I say I never heard of? How did I then formulate facts based on such? Wake up, Sybil, time to shine!
Darren Gladden December 11, 2012 at 06:39 PM
Sybill Evans sounds like a tough one "PLEASE" ........WoW Sybil wants to play by dirty rules ....Don't pay up your money to the man and I going to send someone to collect "REALLY" hard times WE CARE play along WITH us and maybe we will hand you out a turkey ....... WoW I just wish the turkeys given out the Turkey was not so damn greedy and full of themselves then maybe we can all enjoy a nice holiday season ONCE again ..... I will See the Leadership this Monday "Dave Field of Dreams talk again " Damn 4 meeting and I see nothing Getting done again "EMPTY dreams and Breaken promises .......Does anyone care Sybil Evans don't
Paul J. DiBartolo December 12, 2012 at 04:57 PM
Okay...24 hours and counting... Sybil had plenty to say about me concerning what I say and/or do but when I asked for details to qualify those accusations...(chirp...chirp...chirp). The silence is deafening but, seriously, I really didn't expect anything different.
Sybil Evans December 12, 2012 at 10:57 PM
. Paul J. DiBartolo said on 7:12 pm on Friday, December 7, 2012 “>> why the name calling??” Paul obviously was making a rhetorical question since only he would know why he was calling me and many others on here names. I guess Paul figures he can take pot shots from behind a computer since he would need a dentist if he said the same remarks to people’s faces. Then again he does say he was home schooled maybe he did say things like that to the other kids in school and his mommy got tired of the doctor bills, Oh well that is his problem not mine. That said I did answer in the very next comment as everyone can see and I again asked Paul: Sybil Evans 9:37 pm on Friday, December 7, 2012 "Show me in any post where I called you a name?" Now it has been since December 7, 2012 I have been waiting for you to show me where I ever called you a name other then what you identified yourself as and it has now been 5 days you still failed to answer but I see you continue to call me names, why? When you answer my question I asked you 5 days ago I will embarrass you again by answering your question. Don’t worry Paul I know you won’t answer that question you can’t because it never happened. On the other hand I will give you a couple days to try and make up some more lies.
Sybil Evans December 12, 2012 at 11:02 PM
Gary I am proud of you, you PAID YOUR TAXES!!!! You're a Big boy now!! You’re no longer a delinquent, and that’s too bad. I wanted to buy your tax lien so badly.
Gary Frisch December 12, 2012 at 11:02 PM
I never owed any taxes, Sybil-whoeveryouare. What I paid was a few missed sewer bills. One of many errors you self-righteously proclaim as "facts" in your multiple posts. You think you're so smart, but you know nothing about me. I guess to you I am a cipher, and I wouldn't have it any other way.
Paul J. DiBartolo December 12, 2012 at 11:17 PM
What happened, Sibilith, you took offense to my use of that mispronunciation of the fake name you are using? Cut us all a break, you don't even use your real name. BTW, that was a joking retort to your obvious ignorance over how to spell my name when it was plastered all over the blog yet you still got it wrong. Was that an accident? Okay, thanks for the comedic relief, I'll now move on and expend my conversation efforts on people that evidence a little intelligence and candor. Gary, ignore him, her, or shim (whatever) and it'll go away.
Dave's Stache December 13, 2012 at 12:51 PM
Its time for everyone's favorite game; WHO"S THAT TROLL!!!!! Today's contestant is a rather annoying little democrat troll, please welcvom Sybil Evans. First question: are you male or female? It is a male making believe it is a female!!!! Second question: do you work for the township? YES!!!!!! Third question: do you work in the mayor's office? no Oh too bad, we'll be back later with more question of our mystery guest. Till then think about the creepy people you may have seen in the municipal building recently.We'll be back after these important messages from our local sponsors.
Sybil Evans December 13, 2012 at 05:53 PM
Gary you just couldn't leave well enough alone. You were in "TAX SALE" there is no such thing as "SEWER SALE." It may have been because of your SEWER “TAX” and not your PROPERTY TAX but I assure you that you were in “TAX SALE!” That said I find it disturbing that you feel it is justified to write blogs to cry about a $25 fee imposed against you for being so delinquent. Then trying to justify it by saying: Gary Frisch 6:02 pm on Wednesday, December 12, 2012, "I never owed any taxes, Sybil-whoeveryouare. What I paid was a few missed sewer bills." "A FEW" missed sewer bills? A few missed bills landed you in TAX SALE! It's called the law, obey it! Certainly when you are at fault you need to own it, not make a big battle you can never win. Do you understand why you can't win? You were a pawn, all the way through this. You were prodded By Mr. Poloidoro to disgrace yourself by telling everyone you were a "delinquent." You even called yourself a "tax deadbeat," why would anyone do that to themselves? Do you understand the same Polidoro that prodded you to do this would have been the same one to smear your name across New Jersey blogs saying you were given special consideration by the Municipality because you were causing problems? Writing your blog did nothing but guarantee you were going to pay that late fee. I promise you that. But like Paul says now your TAX's are paid and I will ignore you, He is right you’re not worth my time anymore. Life lesson, PAY YOUR TAXES!
Gary Frisch December 13, 2012 at 06:30 PM
Sybil Evans, who is this Mr. Poliodoro you keep talking about? I've never met the man and have no idea who he even is. I'm assuming he works for Glo Twp in some capacity. Just another example of you shooting off your mouth out of spite and schadenfreude, when you have no real idea what you're talking about. Everything you've said on this blog can apply to each and every person on the tax sale list. Yes, paying taxes is the law, and this was a sewer bill, that's a utility, FYI, not a tax, despite what they call this process. Like I said in my first blog, everyone has reasons they didn't pay, and nobody on the list is a bad person as a result. However, YOU are a nameless, faceless thug, and if you do in fact work for the township -- or if you're even the tax collector just pissed off that someone should question you or the township -- what you're doing here is slovenly, unprofessional and disgraceful. I challenge you, Sybil Evans, to reveal your real name. You won't, because you're a horrid little worker bee in this government who thinks its ok to denigrate its constituents when you really fear for your job should your identity come out. You're a shameless ass (yeah, I kiss my mother with that mouth), Sybil Evans, and I'M done with YOU, however I will keep blogging. And go on trolling like the troll you are.
Sybil Evans December 13, 2012 at 07:28 PM
John your comment was “Just another example of you shooting off your mouth out of spite and schadenfreude, when you have no real idea what you're talking about.” My answer, No actually your blog was an example of “schadenfreude” after all you made the blog in a lame attempt to discredit numerous people in the municipality that had no intention to harm you in any way, they just needed to follow the law and advise you your home was up for tax sale. You believed you were going to disgrace them into not charging you the $25 fee, how did that work out for you? John your comment was; “Everything you've said on this blog can apply to each and every person on the tax sale list.” My answer again; No everything you said does not apply to everyone subject to tax sale, actually you were the only person to write a blog designed to embarrass and harm others. The problem is when you were having hard times and couldn’t afford to pay the bill then get caught partying with strippers on November 8th 2012, you kind of lose the sympathy aspect of your “Hard Times” comment was meant to give you.
Sybil Evans December 13, 2012 at 07:29 PM
John your comment was; “Yes, paying taxes is the law, and this was a sewer bill, that's a utility, FYI, not a tax, despite what they call this process.” My answer;” again you are wrong it is called a SEWER TAX utilities get paid to private businesses, can be turned off and are not lienable if your delinquent. Taxes cannot be turned off they are owed to the government and become a lien if you don’t pay them. John your comment was; “However, YOU are a nameless, faceless thug,… I challenge you, Sybil Evans, to reveal your real name…. You're a shameless ass (yeah, I kiss my mother with that mouth)…, My answer: Nameless? Not true, challenge me? I gave you an option to find out who I was you decided not to take me up on the offer. Shameless? Not at all my taxes are paid, You kiss your mother with that mouth…sucks to be her. Do you at least chew gum first or do you not care if you hurt her too?
Sybil Evans December 13, 2012 at 07:59 PM
Here again Gary you want sympathy? your comment Gary; "Like I said in my first blog, everyone has reasons they didn't pay, and nobody on the list is a bad person as a result." You further pretend you could not pay your taxes on time because of some "hard times" you were having and we should have sympathy for you because you only missed "A FEW PAYMENTS." My answer; Why should the tax payers of Gloucester Township cut you a break on your late payment when you used money that was supposed to pay your taxes and instead decided to go skydiving? If you had the money to skydive you should have paid your taxes. http://gloucestertownship.patch.com/articles/patch-reader-shares-skydiving-experience#photo-10903396 Gary Said, "Like I said in my first blog, everyone has reasons they didn't pay, and nobody on the list is a bad person as a result." My answer not everyone is a bad person but you are. Many of the people on that list really can't pay their taxes you made a decision not too pay and use that money to go skydiving, then lied about your financial ability to pay just to try and get out of a late payment fee. That's just dirty wrong. Gary, Are you ready to stop yet or do you really like being embarrassed?
Darren Gladden December 13, 2012 at 08:01 PM
got to love the Fruitcake Peeps hey wanna be Thug Sybil you need to get real , We are taxes so much by the state of New Jersey and our Local government it's a joke nobody can even tell us who is taxings US stop cooking the Books Fritcake hey I hear OOOOOOOOO singing , ...Have a nice day .......Just care , I do ... Mayor and his Crew need to Wise up ......Ho,Ho,Ho
Sybil Evans December 13, 2012 at 08:05 PM
Mr Gladden here (http://webstersdictionary.com/) translate that gibberish and maybe someone other then you will understand what you said.
Paul J. DiBartolo December 13, 2012 at 08:16 PM
I find this interesting... Mr. Gary Frisch writes a blog and comments/replies 6 times. I, likewise, write 6 posts. Sybil Evans writes 20 comments/replies. What the heck is going on? I think Gary said it best, "Sybil Evans...I'M done with YOU..." Can't you take a hint? So shut up already, Sybil-whomever-you-are.
Dave's Stache December 13, 2012 at 08:32 PM
Welcome back to Who's Thst Troll. We have more questions for today's contestant. Ready? Do you work behind a glass window and stare at all of the people coming and going from the municipal building? Why YES!!! Do you make people, especially women feel uncomfortable with your staring? Yes again. Do you use multiple names on Patch and talk to yourself as if you would be 2 people? Another YES. Are you a low level political operative of the local democrats, that is Dave Mayer? Yes again. We have to take a quick commercial break but will be back with the unveiling of today's mystery troll.
Sybil Evans December 13, 2012 at 08:37 PM
WOW Master Paul gave a command. I better start shaking now. Nobody else is allowed to post on this thread Paul is counting everyone's posts now and he says nobody is allowed to make more comments them him or Gary on the thread. Yep Paul I can see everyone cowering down to you now. Hey wait a second guess I shouldn't have made this post according to you. What will you do now? Oh well, you will have to recalculate my thread count. This makes 21. Paul, we are all so encouraged your learning how to count. Ya! Hercules, Hercules! By the way Master Paul nobody was talking to you so take your own advice.
Sybil Evans December 13, 2012 at 08:41 PM
Well Darren I want to play too: Dave's Stash aka Darren Gladden: Do you clean toilets in Fort Dix? No you got fired? How can someone be that incompetent that they can't clean a toilet?
Sybil Evans December 13, 2012 at 08:48 PM
Oh and by the way Stache be careful what you sayWhen you make your accusations and announcement YOU BETTER BE RIGHT....lol! I so look forward to this. Come I exposed you now its your turn Darren Gladden.
Sybil Evans December 13, 2012 at 09:07 PM
Oh Stache please, out me! lol, I am begging you. See the things you posted so far just don't prove anything. Use a name come on. Hurry Up! The suspense is killing me.
Darren Gladden December 13, 2012 at 09:54 PM
don't hate , I always dislike Webster now to understand me is to LOVE me .....Just care , stop chewing with your Mouth Open at da Tax Offices Frank it's disgusting
Frank December 13, 2012 at 11:15 PM
Darren If you want to say something about me then say it to me. Don't go accusing every poster in here that you don't like as being me. It's childish. I will warn you make a post about me again that is not true I promise you will regret it. Now you can take this to council like a 2 year old and tell them how I told you to stop threatening me. Lets see how it plays out. Because like playing your games, caring about you I never will!
Darren Gladden December 13, 2012 at 11:48 PM
Look at you , Come on stop being so defeneless unless you have something to hide .You "SIR" cry LIKE a 2 year old . See there pal you stated to me that you are NA in a parking lot and now you call me out all you do is try attack people and Guess what I aint scare I don't own a DOG and believe me I threated you "Get a Clue there buddy all I have been hearing from the ladies in da office and people that pay there tax bills to you......... Is they would like to see you Chew with your mouth CLOSE ......Now is that threating no it's common sense if you are talking with your mouth full you look like an ....O never mind I'm so tried of trying to clean up this town act and dealing with people like you . It's just so wrong feeding the trolls and watching them GO off ..Now can you please chew with your mouth Close ....Just care , I do
Darren Gladden December 14, 2012 at 12:16 AM
That is not me , but we might have had the same spelling teacher ....;-)
Darren Gladden December 14, 2012 at 12:28 AM
Ho, Ho, Ho .........Now Now Peeps even tho Dave Stache is funny it's not me,,, sorry I like to keep IT REAL "PEEPS" Frank stop your crying and chew with your mouth close Please ........and yes I DID clean TOILETS at Fort Dix and I was one happy man doing my job for people to go to the bathroom in A NICE clean Peaceful bathroom ...........Haters .....HATE ....Lovers and REAL man will CLEAN up there mess ....Now keep the mouth closed you are Creeping people worst then Berry at a playboy Shot .....Just care , I do ......http://youtu.be/XHIHdJ5h_d8
Michelle Wolfson December 14, 2012 at 03:14 AM
I have nothing at all to say about this article. I pay my taxes on time and this is all really totally irrelevant to me. But I was bored and decided to read through all of the comments for amusement's sake. Just thought I'd throw it out there that it is blazingly clear that "Dave's Stache" and Darren Gladden are NOT one and the same! And didn't Dave Mayer shave like a year and a half ago? Maybe a new name is in order?


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