Mayor Calls for 'Balance' in Timber Creek Park

Mayor David Mayer stops short of calling for a halt to disc golf plans, but publicly asserts the project must be "done in the right way."

Mayor David Mayer addressed a group of residents' concerns over the development of a disc golf course in Timber Creek Park during Monday night's Township Council meeting.

"It has to be done in the right way," Mayer said of the project.

Timber Creek Park is a 128-acre property located off Chews Landing Road in Gloucester Township. The land is owned and maintained by Camden County.

Mayer recently walked the proposed disc golf course and wasn't thrilled with what he saw there.

"My concern was that it was really encroaching on a lot of the sensitive areas in that park," he said Monday night.

The mayor indicated he brought up his concerns with Freeholder Jeffrey L. Nash, liaison to both the Camden County Department of Parks and Camden County Division of Environmental Affairs, during a discussion earlier Monday.

"I think that we have to find a balance—a balance providing recreation here in Gloucester Township with protecting our environment," Mayer said.

Mayer remains optimistic something will be worked out that will both protect Timber Creek Park's natural environment and provide avid disc golfers with a second Camden County course—the first opened in Voorhees earlier this year.

He did note, though, that the decision ultimately will fall on county officials, since Camden County owns the property.

"It's not a decision that I or the township get to make," the mayor said.

Mayer told Timber Creek Park activist Chris Schillizzi, who attended Monday's meeting, that he will put the concerns he expressed to Nash into writing.

Schillizzi and a few others launched the "Save Timber Creek Park" Facebook page on Sept. 28 after Schillizzi and his wife, Joanne, discovered about 50 trees had been cut down to make way for the disc golf course.

Mayer and Council President Glen Bianchini, as councilmen in 2003, fought a developer's proposal to build some 800 homes on the land now known as Timber Creek Park, the officials said.

"It is a gem, and I'm glad it's preserved," Bianchini said.

David Grube October 24, 2012 at 10:37 PM
I'm a tax payer in Camden County for 40years. Been playing Disc Golf for 25 yrs. I know I will be playing on Timber Creek just as I am playing on a completed 9 hole course at Stafford Words. KEY WORD here people is CORROBORATION . THINK ABOUT IT AND ENJOY UR DAY.
David Grube October 24, 2012 at 10:48 PM
You say a lot for being anonymous. THE PEOPLE want to play DISC GOLF. Get your facts straight, 29 GOLFERS showed up at the County Freeholders Meeting for Oct and 28 of them where paying taxes and LIVING in Camden County. Put down your shield and go to Stafford Woods and give the game a try before you condemn it please. Again think about it and enjoy your day.
Anonymous 4 CamCo October 25, 2012 at 12:20 AM
Hey Dave, relax and stop being such a bully. In fact it is becoming curiouser and curiouser why the disc golf people are rallying so hard on this. I could not care less about disc golf one way or another. Never played it and never will based on the attitudes of those claiming to be avid players. That said if the township or county wants to install a disc golf course I say bravo but when it seems at variance with other residents it becomes an issue. Jeff Nash said at the freeloader meeting that Dave Mayer contacted him about this project. The mayor denied this and Nash is walking back that comment. But he said it, check the tape on that. CORROBERATION as you put it Dave is someone vouching for another, my guess is that you meant COOPERATION. So take your own advice and keep an open mind to those who disagree with the township and county...not you militant disc golfers. You seem far more organized than random individuals. Maybe their is a behind the scenes deal that is driving this media blitz by the disc golfers? We are legion, we are watching.
Roger Delgado October 25, 2012 at 01:30 AM
What kind of deal could there be that involves disc golf? Did the Mayor or a Freeholder suddenly get hired for a no-show job to lobby for Red Bull or one of the sponsors of this? Does the Mayor have a stake in a disc golf semi-pro team? What? Is this speculation or is there some kind of legitimate link between disc golf and Mayor Mayer?
David Grube October 25, 2012 at 01:56 AM
I believe it is you who needs to relax. I was just stating facts, something some people seem to have all mixed up. And as far as the bullying, you must be reading between the lines or something. Non of my statements where rude or offensive. Again please try and enjoy your day.
Anonymous 4 CamCo October 25, 2012 at 02:59 AM
David, you are stating opinion, your opinion. And it's not the words that makes you a bully it is the tone and intent. You are among an organized group who are attempting to polish the image of disc golf to people who could not care less. Go play your little game to your hearts content but stop trying to convince the rest of us how great it is. This is a media campaign that has been organized for a specific purpose. We applaud the people at Save Timber Creek Park as good citizens and patriots. We are legion, we are watching.
Adam October 25, 2012 at 11:08 AM
Anonymous, yes, you are watching - and full of crap. Be a real man( or woman) and put your name up. I'm going to have to ASSUME who you are, since you have no courage to stand up with you name, and if I'm correct - have cencored most ocmments and what information is out there about this topic. No you just throw uninformed and incorrect statements about other people, and condemn volunteers. You have no idea what you are actually condemning, other than you want nobody else in the back of the back so you can have your dog off leash at will, out side of the designation 9 aces that is already fenced in. And IF you are indeed the same person I'm picturing, and by your tone, and personal attack of Dave - you proboaly are - then you are also the same person that removed the Boy Scout trail markers, twice; and cover over the high school cross county lines every meet. Now you have found another group to attack and try to push out of "your park" - Mr. De-Facto Ower. This is public park, not your private back yard. Learn to play well with others
Michael October 25, 2012 at 11:59 AM
Personnally, I could care less if there is a disc golf course in the park. My concern is the cutting down of the trees. I want to walk through the park, yes, with my dog off leash, and enjoy the woods. I don't want to feel like I'm walking through a golf course. Can't they use the open space at the front of the park?
Anonymous 4 CamCo October 25, 2012 at 01:33 PM
Touchy much Adam? The last bation of the lost argument is to call names and vilify. You and your disc golf minions are laughable. You have no idea who WE are, we are Anonymous, we are legion and we are watching. The point of our interest is that people are being bullied by an organized group and we will not stand by idle. I point to YOUR tirade against us as my evidence. Be careful throwing around incriminations deary, we are unafraid and watching.
Anonymous 4 CamCo October 25, 2012 at 01:37 PM
Provocative, hmmm. http://sports.yahoo.com/top/news?slug=ycn-10797419 Who in Gloucester Township has ties to Comcast?
Michael October 25, 2012 at 01:47 PM
Hmmmm...... would that be Mayor Mayer?
Roger Delgado October 25, 2012 at 02:18 PM
I believe the disc golf people refer to him simply as "Dave".
Anonymous 4 CamCo October 25, 2012 at 03:14 PM
What is further remarkable is that freeloader Jeff Nash is on the record stating Mayor David Mayer of Gloucester Township was the man behind the disc golf course at Timber Creek Park. Now it is revealed that Mayer's employer Comcast profits from this activity as well al the Pro Disc Golfers of America. And by the way one if not more of the disc golf bullies is a member if said organization. Are we seeing the big picture unfolding. Greed, corruption and self aggrandizement at the expense of county taxpayers? Facts dear Adam, facts. One other issue that seems to be overlooked is Gloucester Township councilwoman and running mate of freeloader Nash, Michelle Gentek, the local "green queen". Where is this staunch advocate of the environment in all of this? Is she silent because of her lack if backbone or is she just another green fraud? We are asking Michelle, we are waiting.
Michael October 25, 2012 at 03:33 PM
She hasn't been given permission to speak yet. The puppet masters want to ensure she is properly trained before making comments in public.
John Reynolds October 25, 2012 at 04:42 PM
Why ruin Timer Creek Park with metal baskets and guys in loud apparel running around throwing discs? It's one of the nicest parks in the area, with paths running along the creek in the woods and adjoining meadow.There's plenty of space available in Camden. Hell, that would make the game more interesting!
Paul J. DiBartolo October 25, 2012 at 04:49 PM
Kind of like a cross between Disc Golf and "The Game" (Michael Douglas & Sean Penn) or "Judgment Night" (Emilio Estevez & Cuba Gooding).
John Reynolds October 25, 2012 at 05:15 PM
Paul, "The Running Man," with Professor Toru Tanaka, Jim Brown, and Jesse Ventura trying to kill you while you run for your life.
Paul J. DiBartolo October 25, 2012 at 07:17 PM
Darren Gladden October 25, 2012 at 07:29 PM
Relax I'm training my boys in them woods ..............When the white Van is there we all are safe from Bullies " Now Disc Golf peeps ........Can I make Timber Creek Park into a paintball Zone when you are playing your Game ..........Just saying we can have some fun .......Now I am Darren Gladden and I watching all you Knuckleheads ..........Just care , I do http://youtu.be/Iza1wMzJN_I
Christian Exley October 26, 2012 at 12:59 PM
Mayor Mayer is not the "Dave" who brought this project to the Freeholders. Dave Myers, a Blackwood resident, is the one who has been asking for a disc golf course near us. Just another example of people using misinformation and jumping to conclusions.
Dave Myers October 26, 2012 at 02:47 PM
Yes misinformed conclusion jumpers, it is I, Dave Myers that has brought this wonderful recreational activity to Timber Creek Park. Not Freeholder Jeffery Nash, not Mayor David Mayer, not recreation supervisor Bill Fagen. Some where down the line, the names David Mayer & David Myers got confused (as you can witness, very easily done). 'Anonymous 4 Camco', your posts humor me to the extent of peeing my pants. Calling disc golfers "bullies", seriously!? I would think trying to keep others out of a PUBLIC park is a better definition of bullying. All this talk about $18,000 worth of tax payers money is also humurous. How do you know this wasn't a grant that wasn't received for recreational purposes? I love how people always seem to jump on the bandwagon without knowing ALL the facts first. Opinions/stories get larger & larger when passed down from one to another. Mr. Schillizzi and his bandwagon of followers are just in some of their opinions and concerns but are also over inflated and sensationalized in others. As for you Mr Anonymous 4 CamCo, you and your "Legion" can continue watching. You can watch me, and many others play disc golf within Timber Creek Park very soon.
Anonymous 4 CamCo October 26, 2012 at 03:55 PM
Threats and recriminations from the bully disc golfers again. Dave Myers of Blackwood, fraud alert. He is a hardcore disc golfer. His interests are personal and not for the good of the public. http://discgolfer.ning.com/m/profile?screenName=36rtqa4g2aq4w And by the way Dave, government grants ARE TAX DOLLARS. We are legion and we will not be intimidated by politically connected frauds.
Dave Myers October 26, 2012 at 04:38 PM
LOL, humorous to say the least. Nice detective skills Anonymous. Yes, I'm from Blackwood. Yes, I'm a hard core disc golfer. Fraud!? Pulling another falseification out of your... ? Don't you have the kahuna's to show your identity online? Not that I would care to know, but hiding behind the anonymous icon gives the perseption of a gutless wonder to others. Is this what you are all about? Legion!? Here we go again. Another made up fantasy word that satisfies your own make believe importance.
Sean McCullen (Editor) October 26, 2012 at 04:45 PM
Let's add something new to the conversation, gents, or move on. Thanks.
Michael October 26, 2012 at 04:55 PM
Maybe we could add a skeet range too! We wouldn't need clays, we could just shoot at the frisbees. :)
Anonymous 4 CamCo October 26, 2012 at 08:06 PM
Hey Sean, it's not our fault Dave is all butt-hurt over this. Thin skinned with an attitude. Sounds like the current occupier of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. He even has the press protecting him. Bwahahahaha!!!!
JakeT October 31, 2012 at 04:47 PM
Both sides need to relax a little here. Protecting the environment is indeed a worth cause, but having done a little research these frisbee golfers seem to do more good than harm in that regard. I am not a player, but I have seen trashed parks and underutilized public land revitalized by the inclusion of a frisbee golf course. Before retiring to NJ, I used to live in Dover, NH where there is a frisbee golf course in a public park. I walked my dog there before and after the course was installed, and I have nothing but good things to say about the golfers there. The land in question, Bellamy Park, was overgrown and unhealthy (not to mention full of beer cans) before the golfers came in. Like you all, I was initially concerned when I heard a course would be installed, thinking the land would be unavailable for me and my old beast. In fact, not only did the golfers clean up the weeds and trash, they would stop playing every time I came hobbling through (an exercise in patience as I am not young or fleet footed). It seems like there is a lot of confusion amongst opponents of this venture as to what is actually entailed in the creation of a course. Most of them appear to have very little impact on the natural land (unlike a paintball course as a previous commenter joked about) and use the natural landscape as opposed to altering it like a regular golf course. They want to keep as many trees as possible to make the course more challenging, not cut them all down to make an open lane.
JakeT October 31, 2012 at 04:47 PM
Some of the biggest conservationists I knew in NH played frisbee golf, and while not every golfer will be a positive factor for the course (just like not all hikers and dog walkers), the vast majority of them are a major boon to the land.
Chris November 01, 2012 at 12:44 AM
your not so anonymous when you create this page on Facebook CHRIS SCHILLIZZI and are the only person to "Like" it. You are the person with an agenda who has a pompous attitude to anyone who disagrees with you.
Dennis Byrne November 01, 2012 at 04:35 AM
Anonymous 4 CamCo is a hoot! He/she should write for Jay Leno or Letterman. Talk about drawing conclusions from thin air, and making ominous sounding implications based on NO FACTS at all. There is no money to be made from disc golf. Most players and especially promoters are spending money & time from their own pocket to provide a public service. Removal of trees on courses is almost always dead or invasive species. It doesn't stop dog walkers or anyone else from enjoying the property. In fact, it has been used successfully, many times, to drive unwanted illegal activites out of parks and return them to positive public use. Commcast can't possibly be making $$ from the disc golf tv show as the rating points are likely close to zero (only because most people are unfamiliar with the sport). Disc golf is an excellent "lifesport" that virtually anyone can play (even blind, visually impaired, and other special needs individuals), school age to golden age, with a simple, inexpensive piece of plastic. Just one will do. It takes a lot less time to play than ball-golf, and can be enjoyed by the entire family together (with their dog). I guess that if my logic and arguments where as weak as "Anonymous", I wouldn't show my name or face either!


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